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Is war becoming an acceptable policy in america?

Why do you believe it is a lie as opposed to a mere mistake?

Because of the recommendation by Cheney's Energy Task Force that military action be undertaken to address the strategic oil interest in Iraq, 2 years before we used the excuse of 9/11 to carry it out, the highest priority upon invasion was not securing nuclear facilities, but securing oil wells, and the complete and total lack of threat that Iraq presented to the most powerful military on the planet.

Why do you believe the war to create a regime change, was fought for the benefit of big oil?

Saddam kicked big oil out of Iraq 40 years ago when Iraq Nationalized their oil.

We fixed that. Mission Accomplished!!!
 
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Sorry it took so long, but I thought that was a statement. Add punctuation next time.

I'm saying war is amoral and obsolete. WWII was called "the war to end all wars." WWI was "the Great War." **** war. Its a deacadent mode of thinking executed by mostly dead headed Senators and industrialists, who won't die or retire. ****ing Kissinger was giving orders to Natnl Sec. Adviser, Jim Jones, in Obamas cabinet for Christs sake. That senile old murdering bastard! If we young people ruled, this war bull**** would be outmoded policy, and these old war making people would be jailed.

Well like or not either the old guard or the young new generation, as Kennedy said "THE TORCH IS PASSED TO A NEW GENERATION"

The torch once more will be passed is this a blessing or a curse to the new gewneration that I can not say.
For I am the passing guard I am the old , the most for me now is to cheer the new generation on, and hope the changes they make are for the better.
I served my time drafted into combat in a war and choosing to demand changes on the streets with my sign in hand:peace
 
Because that was the findings by the CIA and the Pentagon:

CIA/Pentagon: No WMD in Iraq

Interesting. Your source is an article on About.Com.

Did you actually read the source material? Fascinating, very fascinating.

Here, this is one of the references that is stated in that article you tell me to read.

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/DuelferRpt/Addendums.pdf

Since May 2004, ISG has recovered 41 Sakr-18 CW rockets and eight Buraq CW rockets. Coalition military explosive experts doubted the rockets could be effectively launched because the physical state of the munitions was degraded from years of improper storage.

Since 2003, insurgents have attacked Coalition Forces with two CW rounds (not including attacks with riot control agents) that ISG judges were produced by Iraq prior to 1991. Neither attack caused casualties and ISG believes the perpetrators did not know the rounds contained CW agent because the rounds were not marked to indicate they contained CW agent and they were used no differently than insurgents had employed conventional munition

The mustard round used by insurgents as an IED near Abu Ghurayb Barracks on 2 May 2004 contained agent degraded to such an extent to be ineffective.

Polish Forces recovered 41 Sakr-18 rockets in June and July 2004. Of the rockets tested one contained residual sarin, fi ve contained petroleum and a pesticide, and the remainders were empty. ISG believes that the Iraqis who provided the rockets added the pesticide because we have no previous reporting indicating that Iraq weaponized pesticides.

Funny, because that is in the very report that they claim "proves Iraq had no chemical weapons". I think they need to re-read the report.
 
LOL, UHH... check your reserch a little closer there.

Social security is supposed to be a retirement fund the American workers paid into.
However how many times have politicians broke into the Social Security fund?
Question; Where does the money from Social Security go to?

Then explain to me "Supplemental Security Income" then please.

This is a program administered by the Social Security Administration. And as of the last record I have seen (2009) it cost taxpayers almost $45 billion dollars. And this is paid through the General Fund, not by Social Security itself. But it is still part of the Social Security budget.

Medicare as well as medicade has both suffered budget cuts as late as this year.
How many budget cuts has the DEFENCE BUDGET SUFFERED?
How many times in the last 11 years has the Defence budget been cut?.

Nice, you are covering a period that we have constantly been at war. How about looking at the historical record since 1946? That is a bit more accurate.

defense%20budget.jpg


That still does not deny the fact that both SSI and Medicare both take more of the budget then Defense. Which was what I was originally responding to.
 
Oozlefinch, et al,

Yes, yes, I see. I was there.

The mustard round used by insurgents as an IED near Abu Ghurayb Barracks on 2 May 2004 contained agent degraded to such an extent to be ineffective.

Funny, because that is in the very report that they claim "proves Iraq had no chemical weapons". I think they need to re-read the report.
(COMMENT)

Do you believe that we went to war over a bunch of ten year old Iraq-Iran War remnants - so old that they don't work?

Oozlefinch, My Detailed Response.

I ask you to reassess your position. If the general public knew that this was all there was, would we have gone to war? If it doesn't work, it is not a threat.

Even today, you can roam the old border battlefields and find junk like this.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Saddam kicked big oil out of Iraq 40 years ago when Iraq Nationalized their oil.

We fixed that. Mission Accomplished!!!

Yes, nice propaganda.

Now for the "other side of the story".

The Iraqi oil infrastructure was an absolute disaster. In 2004, Iraq was importing oil and gasoline, because it lacked the refining capability to produce their own. The oil fields, pipelines, and refineries were in a horrible state of repair. And it was estimated that to bring them back up to capacity would cost at least $35 billion.

Now where was Iraq going to get $35 billion, without any kind of product to sell?

So she got into oil export contracts. The contracts enabled foreign companies to take control of part of the oil from specific fields, and sell it to repay cash advances. Think of it as an "oil loan", where the money is repaid in oil futures. And if oil had dropped, they would have all lost money.

And what "bog oil" companies? I look down the list, and I only see 2 US companies in that list. Exxon and Occidental. Yet I see 2 from Russia, 2 from China, 2 from Korea, and 3 from Malaysia.

So if this was done for "big oil", it sure was a failure.
 
Then explain to me "Supplemental Security Income" then please.

This is a program administered by the Social Security Administration. And as of the last record I have seen (2009) it cost taxpayers almost $45 billion dollars. And this is paid through the General Fund, not by Social Security itself. But it is still part of the Social Security budget.



Nice, you are covering a period that we have constantly been at war. How about looking at the historical record since 1946? That is a bit more accurate.

defense%20budget.jpg


That still does not deny the fact that both SSI and Medicare both take more of the budget then Defense. Which was what I was originally responding to.

Does that chart take into account the change in the value of our currency?
 
Oozlefinch, et al,

I totally missed this.

(COMMENT)

So how does this SSI issue relate to the "National Defense" spending issue, other than we spend too much on National Defense?

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Oozlefinch, et al,

I totally missed this.

(COMMENT)

So how does this SSI issue relate to the "National Defense" spending issue, other than we spend too much on National Defense?

Most Respectfully,
R

It does not really, they are very different things. But far to many people when they think of "Social Security" only think of it as the money we all pay for our own "retirement". They do not know about the other programs that are covered by Social Security Administration, like SSI. In fact, just seperating Social Security and Medicare is misleading, since they are both programs under the Social Security Administration. And the SSA runs deep in the red once Medicare, Medicaid, SSI, and other programs are taken into account.

However, that was given in response to an implication that the DoD budget is never cut. When in reality it has been cut many times.
 
Interesting. Your source is an article on About.Com.

Did you actually read the source material? Fascinating, very fascinating.

Here, this is one of the references that is stated in that article you tell me to read.

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/DuelferRpt/Addendums.pdf

Since May 2004, ISG has recovered 41 Sakr-18 CW rockets and eight Buraq CW rockets. Coalition military explosive experts doubted the rockets could be effectively launched because the physical state of the munitions was degraded from years of improper storage.

Since 2003, insurgents have attacked Coalition Forces with two CW rounds (not including attacks with riot control agents) that ISG judges were produced by Iraq prior to 1991. Neither attack caused casualties and ISG believes the perpetrators did not know the rounds contained CW agent because the rounds were not marked to indicate they contained CW agent and they were used no differently than insurgents had employed conventional munition

The mustard round used by insurgents as an IED near Abu Ghurayb Barracks on 2 May 2004 contained agent degraded to such an extent to be ineffective.

Polish Forces recovered 41 Sakr-18 rockets in June and July 2004. Of the rockets tested one contained residual sarin, fi ve contained petroleum and a pesticide, and the remainders were empty. ISG believes that the Iraqis who provided the rockets added the pesticide because we have no previous reporting indicating that Iraq weaponized pesticides.

Funny, because that is in the very report that they claim "proves Iraq had no chemical weapons". I think they need to re-read the report.

Well just keep reading and you will learn that none of those were a threat to the US, as determined by the Pentagon and the CIA.
 
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Well just keep reading and you will learn that none of those were a threat to the US, as determined by the Pentagon and the CIA.

The people who ran the damned war don't even agree with the stance at this point.
Cept dicky but hes like the stalin of military contracts and made bank.
And rummy who armed saddam... even they would squirm and end up with flimsy bottom lines and are likely the only important people who wold make such arguments in the first place.
 
Yes, nice propaganda.

Now for the "other side of the story".

The Iraqi oil infrastructure was an absolute disaster. In 2004, Iraq was importing oil and gasoline, because it lacked the refining capability to produce their own. The oil fields, pipelines, and refineries were in a horrible state of repair. And it was estimated that to bring them back up to capacity would cost at least $35 billion.

Now where was Iraq going to get $35 billion, without any kind of product to sell?

So she got into oil export contracts. The contracts enabled foreign companies to take control of part of the oil from specific fields, and sell it to repay cash advances. Think of it as an "oil loan", where the money is repaid in oil futures. And if oil had dropped, they would have all lost money.

And what "bog oil" companies? I look down the list, and I only see 2 US companies in that list. Exxon and Occidental. Yet I see 2 from Russia, 2 from China, 2 from Korea, and 3 from Malaysia.

So if this was done for "big oil", it sure was a failure.

You know nothing about the world oil market, or common sense, if you believe big oil is not profiting from being back in Iraq (which contains the second largest reserve of oil on the planet) for the first time in 40 years, thanks to the US taxpayers.

They thank you very much for your support!
 
The people who ran the damned war don't even agree with the stance at this point.
Cept dicky but hes like the stalin of military contracts and made bank.
And rummy who armed saddam... even they would squirm and end up with flimsy bottom lines and are likely the only important people who wold make such arguments in the first place.

Its pretty telling that just one-third (34%) (of post 9/11 Veterans) say that, given the costs and benefits to the U.S., the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have both been worth fighting. A smaller share (44%) says the war in Iraq has been worth it
1 in 3 Iraq and Afghanistan Vets See Wars as Waste
 
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I've had some scary convos with a couple afghanistan vets... :shrug:

My son has had 4 tours in the Middle East in the Air Force. He confirmed the intelligence that showed we destroyed Iraq's military capability in the Persian Gulf war. We bombed their military capabilities back a century. That's why the Iraqis had nothing much but homemade explosive devices to combat our invasion and occupation.

After the Persian Gulf war, they were literally one of the weakest military powers on the planet.
 
My son has had 4 tours in the Middle East in the Air Force. He confirmed the intelligence that showed we destroyed Iraq's military capability in the Persian Gulf war. We bombed their military capabilities back a century. That's why the Iraqis had nothing much but homemade explosive devices to combat our invasion and occupation.

After the Persian Gulf war, they were literally one of the weakest military powers on the planet.

Yes, "homemade explosives". Like the 22nd Armored Brigade, Fedayeen Saddam, and the Republican Guard. An army that massed over 600,000 men, and containing 10 mechanized and armored divisions (most equiped with the T-72 tank).

And let's not forget that "homemade explosive" known as the Al-Samoud 2. Which Iraq had already claimed had all been destroyed.

Yes, you are right. They had nothing.

Can you kindly show me some sources that show that Iraq had nothing but homemade explosives to repel the invaders? I would love to read your sources.

And BTW, I have seen that as well. I remember landing at Ali Al Salem Air Base, and seeing the dozens of aircraft bunkers that had been destroyed during that invasion. However, since the invasion did not enter Iraq, most of their military was largely left intact. Iraq mostly lost only the equipment that was in Kuwait itself.

I will have to dig through my laptop and try and find the photos I took of some of those bunkers from the 1990-1991 invasion. It was really impressive to see dozens of those bunkers, most with a single bomb crater.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=29.34...56051,47.50926&spn=0.004713,0.010461&t=h&z=17

Interestingly enough, the Kuwait Government is still involved in litigation with the French company that built these "bomb proof bunkers".
 
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Yes, "homemade explosives". Like the 22nd Armored Brigade, Fedayeen Saddam, and the Republican Guard. An army that massed over 600,000 men, and containing 10 mechanized and armored divisions (most equiped with the T-72 tank).

And let's not forget that "homemade explosive" known as the Al-Samoud 2. Which Iraq had already claimed had all been destroyed.

Yes, you are right. They had nothing.

Can you kindly show me some sources that show that Iraq had nothing but homemade explosives to repel the invaders? I would love to read your sources.

And BTW, I have seen that as well. I remember landing at Ali Al Salem Air Base, and seeing the dozens of aircraft bunkers that had been destroyed during that invasion. However, since the invasion did not enter Iraq, most of their military was largely left intact. Iraq mostly lost only the equipment that was in Kuwait itself.

I will have to dig through my laptop and try and find the photos I took of some of those bunkers from the 1990-1991 invasion. It was really impressive to see dozens of those bunkers, most with a single bomb crater.

29.346667,47.520556 - Google Maps

Interestingly enough, the Kuwait Government is still involved in litigation with the French company that built these "bomb proof bunkers".


How did this "military threat" slow our taking of Baghdad???

Iraq Is No Longer a Significant Military Threat to Its Neighbors


"It is also hard to imagine that an Iraqi aircraft carrying biological weapons, presumably some kind of drone, could somehow penetrate the air space of neighboring countries, much less far-off Israel, without being shot down. Most of Iraq’s neighbors have sophisticated antiaircraft capability, and Israel has the best regional missile defense system in the world. Similarly, as mentioned above, there is no evidence that Iraq’s Scud missiles and launchers even survived the Gulf War in operable condition. Indeed, UNSCOM reported in 1992 that Iraq had neither launchers for their missiles nor engines to power them.
Israeli military analyst Meir Stieglitz, writing in the Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot, noted that “there is no such thing as a long-range Iraqi missile with an effective biological warhead. No one has found an Iraqi biological warhead. The chances of Iraq having succeeded in developing operative warheads without tests are zero.”


The recent American obsession with Iraq’s potential military threat is discredited by the fact that Iraq’s military, including its real and potential weapons of mass destruction, was significantly stronger in the late 1980s than it is today. Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was once a real threat to Iraq’s neighbors when he had his full complement of medium-range missiles, a functioning air force, and a massive stockpile of chemical and biological weaponry and material. Yet, from the Carter administration through the Reagan administration and continuing through the first half of the senior Bush administration, the U.S. dismissed any potential strategic Iraqi threat to the point of coddling Saddam’s regime with overt economic subsidies and covert military support. This support continued even as Iraq invaded Iran and used chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers and Kurdish civilians.


Iraq’s current armed forces are barely one-third their pre-war strength. Even though Iraq has not been required to reduce its conventional forces, the destruction of its weapons and the country’s economic difficulties have led to a substantial reduction in men under arms. Iraq’s Navy is virtually nonexistent and its Air Force is just a fraction of what it was before the war. Military spending by Iraq has been estimated at barely one-tenth of its levels in the 1980s. The Bush administration has been unable to explain why today, when Saddam has only a tiny percentage of his once-formidable military capability, Iraq is considered such a threat that it is necessary to invade the country and replace its leader—the same leader Washington quietly supported during the peak of Iraq’s military capability."

Seven Fallacies of U.S. Plans to Invade Iraq
 
Then explain to me "Supplemental Security Income" then please.

This is a program administered by the Social Security Administration. And as of the last record I have seen (2009) it cost taxpayers almost $45 billion dollars. And this is paid through the General Fund, not by Social Security itself. But it is still part of the Social Security budget.



Nice, you are covering a period that we have constantly been at war. How about looking at the historical record since 1946? That is a bit more accurate.

defense%20budget.jpg


That still does not deny the fact that both SSI and Medicare both take more of the budget then Defense. Which was what I was originally responding to.

Sorry if you think I support SSI you are wrong .
In my post I said Social Security was paid in by American workers for a retirement fund.
Medicare would not be so one sided if America had a international health care systeme , of course that would make a lot of insurance companies unhappy , the same health and drug companies that collect from medicare.

However since we are on the subject of numbers, I too are interested in numbers.

Like how much of government tax dollars went for bailouts in 2008.

How much government tax dollars went for rich tax cuts in 2010.

Now if you want a sweet deal try this.

One rich person invest in a stock.
The stock goes up he gets a tax cut
The stock goes down it's another tax loss and he gets a higher tax cut
Am I wrong?:peace
 
Catawba, et al,

Because none of the stated objectives were the real reason the US invaded Iraq.

All the talk about why we invade Iraq was merely justification for an action we wanted to perform.

... ... ... Iraq’s current armed forces are barely one-third their pre-war strength. Even though Iraq has not been required to reduce its conventional forces, the destruction of its weapons and the country’s economic difficulties have led to a substantial reduction in men under arms. Iraq’s Navy is virtually nonexistent and its Air Force is just a fraction of what it was before the war. Military spending by Iraq has been estimated at barely one-tenth of its levels in the 1980s. The Bush administration has been unable to explain why today, when Saddam has only a tiny percentage of his once-formidable military capability, Iraq is considered such a threat that it is necessary to invade the country and replace its leader—the same leader Washington quietly supported during the peak of Iraq’s military capability."

Seven Fallacies of U.S. Plans to Invade Iraq
(COMMENT)

First understand that the US is a politico-military hegemony. That is the key.

Persuasive in Peace --- Invincible in War

The US Ruling Elite saw that the entire Middle East was inflamed with trouble. In order for the US to quell the problems -bring it to heel, the US had to have a very formidable "stick" in the region to make the "carrot and stick" approach effective. It had to be readily accessible, on the ground and ready to roll at a moments notice. It had to be centrally located within the region, able to strike any regional player and to perform surveillance in the proximity of foreseeable trouble spots. It had to be in a position to support the Israeli security effort of its western frontier. One only needs look at the map and you'll find that Iraq fit the bill.

Now the effort to convince everyone that Iraq was a Regional Threat to Peace, and a state supporter of terrorism come into play. Once the stage was set, using all the various reasons why the regime needed to be toppled, the US could enter Iraq and liberate it.

The plan was simple. Once liberated, the grateful people of Iraq would open there arms to the US and accept strategically placed US foreign military presence in the area. A couple miniature Fort Bragg style installations; combined for both ground and air forces and placed such that they could by subject to rapid build-up; should the need arise.

With this basing plan, the US could throw an umbrella over the entire region; both 3GW and 4GW capable. No country, including Israel, would ever be in fear of invasion again. The US was on the scene to serve and protect every countries interest. Even Israel could pull back to the pre-1967 borders without fear of invasion, because the US was there; on the ground and in the air. And the bases would serve as a portal for follow-on forces.

But before the US could do all these wonderful things, Saddam had to be deposed. And what better way to do it than:

  • Saddam Hussein was a cruel, heartless and fanatical dictator, known to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people.
  • Saddam Hussein was a state supporter of terrorism; and a self-proclaimed enemy of the US. He would give WMD to terrorists.
  • Saddam Hussein posed an immanent threat to the US.
    • Long-range missiles
    • WMD Programs, Chemical, Biological and Nuclear
    • Soldiers MIA since the 1990 conflict
    • Illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program and failure to comply with UN Resolutions
    • Regional threat to invade neighboring countries

Once the face of Saddam Hussein was appropriately painted, then it was a matter of sensationalizing the scope and nature of the threat in order to secure support. Of course the fact that most of the regional clients were oil exporters, also garnered support for the cause. Then there was the "Axil of Evil," where Iraq was equally guilty by association. With 911 fresh on everyone's mind, there were these faint suggestions that Iraq was somehow associated.

All of this was justification for the war, but not the real reason. The real reason was to make the US the oversight for the oil rich region and to establish hegemonic control.

The problem to kill this vision was the emergence of the insurgency and the natural blood thirsty tendencies of the Iraqi Arab. We were never welcomed with open arms. "The Liberators" were viewed as an "Occupation Force." Otherwise it might have all come together.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Catawba, et al,

Because none of the stated objectives were the real reason the US invaded Iraq.

All the talk about why we invade Iraq was merely justification for an action we wanted to perform.

(COMMENT)

First understand that the US is a politico-military hegemony. That is the key.

Persuasive in Peace --- Invincible in War

The US Ruling Elite saw that the entire Middle East was inflamed with trouble. In order for the US to quell the problems -bring it to heel, the US had to have a very formidable "stick" in the region to make the "carrot and stick" approach effective. It had to be readily accessible, on the ground and ready to roll at a moments notice. It had to be centrally located within the region, able to strike any regional player and to perform surveillance in the proximity of foreseeable trouble spots. It had to be in a position to support the Israeli security effort of its western frontier. One only needs look at the map and you'll find that Iraq fit the bill.

Now the effort to convince everyone that Iraq was a Regional Threat to Peace, and a state supporter of terrorism come into play. Once the stage was set, using all the various reasons why the regime needed to be toppled, the US could enter Iraq and liberate it.

The plan was simple. Once liberated, the grateful people of Iraq would open there arms to the US and accept strategically placed US foreign military presence in the area. A couple miniature Fort Bragg style installations; combined for both ground and air forces and placed such that they could by subject to rapid build-up; should the need arise.

With this basing plan, the US could throw an umbrella over the entire region; both 3GW and 4GW capable. No country, including Israel, would ever be in fear of invasion again. The US was on the scene to serve and protect every countries interest. Even Israel could pull back to the pre-1967 borders without fear of invasion, because the US was there; on the ground and in the air. And the bases would serve as a portal for follow-on forces.

But before the US could do all these wonderful things, Saddam had to be deposed. And what better way to do it than:

  • Saddam Hussein was a cruel, heartless and fanatical dictator, known to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people.
  • Saddam Hussein was a state supporter of terrorism; and a self-proclaimed enemy of the US. He would give WMD to terrorists.
  • Saddam Hussein posed an immanent threat to the US.
    • Long-range missiles
    • WMD Programs, Chemical, Biological and Nuclear
    • Soldiers MIA since the 1990 conflict
    • Illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program and failure to comply with UN Resolutions
    • Regional threat to invade neighboring countries

Once the face of Saddam Hussein was appropriately painted, then it was a matter of sensationalizing the scope and nature of the threat in order to secure support. Of course the fact that most of the regional clients were oil exporters, also garnered support for the cause. Then there was the "Axil of Evil," where Iraq was equally guilty by association. With 911 fresh on everyone's mind, there were these faint suggestions that Iraq was somehow associated.

All of this was justification for the war, but not the real reason. The real reason was to make the US the oversight for the oil rich region and to establish hegemonic control.

The problem to kill this vision was the emergence of the insurgency and the natural blood thirsty tendencies of the Iraqi Arab. We were never welcomed with open arms. "The Liberators" were viewed as an "Occupation Force." Otherwise it might have all come together.

Most Respectfully,
R

That's pretty good but I think something might be missing.
You said once Iraq was liberated the U.S. could throw an umbrella over the Mideast protecting countries like Israel from invasion.
Questions.
1. Why just protect the Mideast, why not protect Darfur in Africa?
2. I don't recall Israel to ask for protection?
3 If Israel wanted protection from an invasion from Iraq why not station troops in Israel after all it is in the Mideast you could strike any part of the Mideast from there after all Israel has?
4 Could the fact that there is oil in Iraq but no oil in Israel play a factor?:peace
 
That's pretty good but I think something might be missing.
You said once Iraq was liberated the U.S. could throw an umbrella over the Mideast protecting countries like Israel from invasion.
Questions.
1. Why just protect the Mideast, why not protect Darfur in Africa?
2. I don't recall Israel to ask for protection?
3 If Israel wanted protection from an invasion from Iraq why not station troops in Israel after all it is in the Mideast you could strike any part of the Mideast from there after all Israel has?
4 Could the fact that there is oil in Iraq but no oil in Israel play a factor?:peace

I think you may have missed his statement above old friend that addresses your questions:

"The real reason was to make the US the oversight for the oil rich region and to establish hegemonic control." :peace
 
I think you may have missed his statement above old friend that addresses your questions:

"The real reason was to make the US the oversight for the oil rich region and to establish hegemonic control." :peace

Oh I hope he didn't take that the wrong way, I got his statement he was right on target.

I just wanted to add a few questions that weren't ask when the invasion of Iraq took place.
Of course the big thing then was the smoking gun, the mushroom cloud, and the WMD's.
Rocco, if you are reading this my intentions were not to critisize or undermine your post, mearly to add to it.:peace
 
presluc, et al,

That is a very good question.

That's pretty good but I think something might be missing.
You said once Iraq was liberated the U.S. could throw an umbrella over the Mideast protecting countries like Israel from invasion.
Questions.
1. Why just protect the Mideast, why not protect Darfur in Africa?
2. I don't recall Israel to ask for protection?
3 If Israel wanted protection from an invasion from Iraq why not station troops in Israel after all it is in the Mideast you could strike any part of the Mideast from there after all Israel has?
4 Could the fact that there is oil in Iraq but no oil in Israel play a factor?:peace
(COMMENT)

One at a time.

(1) Actually, it was next on the list. In 2005, when the Iraq dream was still alive, the Powers-that-Be, began the planning to stretch the hegemony over Africa. To that end, by 2007 funding had been secured to create the US Africa Command (AFRICOM) ( U.S. Africa Command Home ).

(2) Israel did not ask for protection. It was considered one of the major problems. The entire justification for holding onto the occupied territories (beyond thee 1967 borders) was based on the necessity for the strategic defense of Israel from attack by the Arab World. If the US maintained the overwatch and the ready air and ground support, that would no longer be an issue and Israel could roll back to the 1967 borders. That was considered a key factor in solving the Palestinian issue and setting up a viable independent state that could support itself.

(3) Israel was not specifically worried about Iraq, but more the entire Arab world. The stick had to cover the entire Arab world. Iraq was in the middle of the region. The central location was needed to establish a uniform military reach.

(4) Everyone fixates on the "oil." And yes, oil was a contributing factors that went along with the sale of the idea. But then again, there were many power brokers in the US that held this undying support for Israel. There is no question that the combination of the two help in the prioritization. But "oil" was not the primary reason. It was "power and influence" that was the driving force. Along with that driving force was the need to reshape the face of America in the eyes of the Muslim/Arab world. America wanted to be written into history as the nation that brought peace to the land and home of the terrorists.​


Most Respectfully,
R
 
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