Is taking a different approach to the war the same as defeat?

Aunt Spiker · 11-18-09, 09:01 AM

Do you feel that taking an alternative method to try to rid the world of terrorism is the same as us being defeated?

Currently we're using a military tactic as the primary means to reach our goal, with the support of government and police intervention, etc. Many opponents want us to end the military-tactics, or greatly reduce them, and then make our primary means the government and police intervention, etc.

Why would flipping things around in an effort to reach the end goal be the same as being defeated?

gabehwkns · 11-18-09, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker

Do you feel that taking an alternative method to try to rid the world of terrorism is the same as us being defeated?

Currently we're using a military tactic as the primary means to reach our goal, with the support of government and police intervention, etc. Many opponents want us to end the military-tactics, or greatly reduce them, and then make our primary means the government and police intervention, etc.

Why would flipping things around in an effort to reach the end goal be the same as being defeated?

I certainly don't think so. I'm an advocate for strength through peace, and I think it's a plausible goal to acheive over time. If terrorism is being fought against, it shouldn't matter what means are used, so long as they are the most effective, ethical, etc.

molten_dragon · 11-18-09, 10:27 AM

I wouldn't call it defeat. If the goal is to rid the world of terrorism, then any means which accomplish that goal would be a victory.

Now the question of whether other means will be successful or not is a whole different kettle of fish.

Praetor · 11-18-09, 11:12 PM

Revolts will always be part of our condition. We may have one victory now, or in a year, or ten years, but someone with opposing viewpoints and respectable strategy will arise and oppose. Ending terrorism is a very narrow idea.

MSgt · 11-22-09, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker

Many opponents want us to end the military-tactics, or greatly reduce them, and then make our primary means the government and police intervention, etc.

It's always the same. This is like clock work anymore. Our dimplomats and politicians fail at their job, insist upon the military to wipe their noses and kill for them, then rush in before the job is finished to speak of a "diplomatic" solution.

MSgt · 11-22-09, 03:29 AM

It doesn't matter what approach people demand. In the end we will prescribe defeat because we don't have the insight, intelligence, or practicality to define what we are doing correctly.

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Praetor User Join Date: Nov 2009 Last Seen: 11-18-09 11:27 PM Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post Lean: Liberal	Re: Is taking a different approach to the war the same as defeat? Revolts will always be part of our condition. We may have one victory now, or in a year, or ten years, but someone with opposing viewpoints and respectable strategy will arise and oppose. Ending terrorism is a very narrow idea.

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