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Originally Posted by That Todd Guy  what we are fighting for?
When would the game be declared officially over??
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Even if one considers a "war on terror" can never end, that does not mean the war powers are endless. The idea that the war on terrorism is endless is not new, but how one uses the war powers is. My Democratic Senator wrote me back and said, the authorization was "sufficient." No "neocon" was needed for the lukewarm "liberal" arts of war of containment and Oil for Food on the backs of disenfranchised slaves.
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Obama would have limited the war to those who actually attacked us even after it was clear to his church that the reasons for the war were not the actual attackers:
"When John McCain said we could just muddle through in Afghanistan,
I argued for more resources and more troops to finish the fight against the terrorists who actually attacked us on 9/11, and made clear that we must take out Osama bin Laden and his lieutenants if we have them in our sights."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us...ewanted=4&_r=1
July 1997,
South Movement, "the path of Jihad and proper action": "Those who desire to face up to the Zionists conspiracies, intransigence, and aggressiveness must proceed towards the advance centers of capabilities in the greater Arab homeland and to the centers of the knowledge, honesty and sincerity with whole heartiness if the aim was to implement a serious plan to save others from their dilemma or to rely on those capable centers; well-known for their positions regarding the enemy, to gain precise concessions from it with justified maneuvers even if such centers including Baghdad not in agreement with those concerned, over the objectives and aims of the required maneuvers." (On the 29th anniversary of Iraq's national day (the 17th of July 1968 revolution). President Saddam Hussein made an important comprehensive and nation wide address)
President Saddam's speech on July 17 1997
December 1997,
South Movement: "'If the United Nations fails to respond to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (meeting in Tehran) then the Muslim world must act and defy these sanctions,' Farrakhan told an audience of union representatives in the Iraqi capital." (Louis Farrakhan)
South News Dec 12 1997
September, 16th, 2001: "Whenever a nation becomes great and powerful by God’s Permission, as America has; whenever a nation becomes the undisputed ruler of the world, as America has, by Allah’s Permission; when a nation becomes the only remaining superpower, having the power to destroy other nations and people by the tens of thousands and millions, as Allah has permitted America the power to do, and that nation then has a spiritual lapse and begins to sink into moral decline, the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) raises a messenger, but he raises that messenger from among the poor and the abject to guide and to warn the great and the powerful.
Allah (God) knows that the powerful will not heed a warning coming from their ex-slave or from the weak or from the abject, so the Qur’an teaches that Allah (God) then seizes that nation with distress and affliction, that it might humble itself. For only in humility can the proud and the powerful heed the Guidance of God, which is mercy and grace from Himself. Allah (God) used this tragedy, hopefully, to bring a great nation to Himself." (Louis Farrakhan)
Response to 9/11 Attacks
“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into
the woodwork or just ‘disappeared‘ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.”
http://www.cmaucc.org/EMRJeremiahWright2.pdf
"When Sen. Barack Obama 'rejected' and 'denounced' the support of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan during the MSNBC debate last week, it wasn't his finest hour.
Fortunately for Obama, most black people understand the game.
Obama should have found a way to escape Russert's trap without denigrating Farrakhan's legacy.
But, like I said, we understand." (BY MARY MITCHELL Sun-Times Columnist)
Why Obama 'denounced' Farrakhan :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Mary Mitchell
I understand that has not be refuted by Obama, and Mary Mitchel is still a fully employed Black mouthpiece, so Obama is a liar and most black people are bad.
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It is a fact that the war could not end without removing the reason for the war:
One Iraq, Two Iraq, Three Iraq
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Keeping Sunni Saddam in power to ethically suppress the scary Shiites, would be a violation of Article One of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter. Obama and the Democratic Party monsters, by their own words, would have continued the war, which started with Saddam and the fatwa in response to that war, until Saddam retired of old age:
"So we attacked Afghanistan,
we took out the government that supported the people that attacked us and then, in my view, in a strategic blunder, moved against Saddam Hussein. He was contained. Yes he was an unpleasant person. Yes he was a potential danger like every tyrant I guess is. But he couldn’t directly strike the United States and he was performing the function of a ‘cork in the bottle’ in the Persian Gulf containing the power of Iran. We removed him.” (Transcript of Stewart Varney interview of General Wesley Clark on Your World Cavuto, Fox News)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1057590153 (The Oreo Cookie, and containment?)
"Iran is proceeding now in ways that were unimaginable until we invaded Iraq and basically did what they said, which is provide the Shia with the ability to do what they haven't been able to do in 1200 years, gain a position of dominance over the Sunni." (Democrat, Sen. KERRY, Obama supporter)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...post1057662678 (Talk to Iran!)
"But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community
he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need |
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The game can only be over when the magical "they" terrorists are defeated, which can only come after those nations that say "They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings," are no longer in power:
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“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001""
“Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad.
To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)
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Of the reasons outlined in the fatwas (Islamifacist legal documents) for the war, only our presence in the region remains; Iraq is liberated, sanctions lifted, and the dying Iraqi children Al Quacka claimed was a reason for the war in the 1996 fatwa are being killed by the Al Quacka when they come of age and apply to be a police officer in Iraq.
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The game can end, but it is beneficial to the fifth column if they get "regime change" like Ramsey Clark called for at the first International A.n.s.w.e.r rally where they chanted "FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE! FREE PALESTINE!"
September 2001: "Ramsey Clark, former U.S. Attorney General...David Muller,
South Movement, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia"
(Workers World Oct. 4, 2001: Join a new anti-war coalition)
Workers World Oct. 4, 2001: Join a new anti-war coalition
"The African-American Democrat is being groomed for national leadership. His speech at the Democratic convention, a homily on hard work, individual responsibility and the American dream, would have been well received at a Republican convention not so many years ago. But in 2004, Obama is passed off as a 'progressive' politician." (Democratic keynote speaker Barack Obama calls for missile strikes on Iran)
Democratic keynote speaker Barack Obama calls for missile strikes on Iran
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Freedom is what we are fighting for, like it was called "Operation Iraqi Freedom," freedom from tyranny and the mini-tyranny of terrorism. And unless you support freedom for the scary Shiite majority in Iraq, in keeping with Article One of the United Nations (of tyrants too) Charter, you do not support freedom. We the people are fighting for freedom, Obama was not. The game or war can officially be over when nations are not supporting terrorism, and terror is simply a crime, and that could never happen as long as Saddam was in violation of H32 of UN resolution 687, or we lose to the lukewarm "liberal" arts of war. The fastest way to have the war officially declared over would be to vote for the "liberals," who do not consider terrorism to be an enemy.
!Lerxst in 2012! 
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