bub

OBL's driver could spend the rest of his life in jail?

Isn't such a sentence extremely harsh and disproportionate for a guy whose job was to bring peanuts and change the tires of OBL?

He may never have hold a gun in his hand and has already spent 6 years in Guantanamo!

Not only he has been sexually humiliated, but this trial is totally unfair, as rumors and testimony obtained under torture are considered as "proofs".



If the aim of this trial was to condemn a scapegoat, then it's a success.
Unfortunately, Bush's administration makes (once more) the USA look evil.

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I think we may all be jumping to conclusions here. It may look like he is just a driver, but would you trust your life to just anyone? We aren't privy to all the details or evidence. It may be just punishment and it may be unjust punishment. Sure it looks like he is just a driver, but none of us really, truly know. I will however admit that if this guy was just Saddam's driver, the punishment does not fit the crime, but once again - we don't know, it's all speculation at this point.

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bub

If they had real proofs they would show them!

And even if he was really a bad guy who'd deserve that sentence, the trial is still unfair. Testimonies obtained under torture would not be accepted by the European courts.

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They wouldn't show real proof if they had it or not, it's not a public court. And guess what, this ain't Europe. Europe had their chance to participate in the removal of Saddam and the liberation of Iraq and most of Europe passed on it. You can't have a say now when you weren't there from the beginning. I don't mean to be so blunt, it's just the truth.

bub

Well ok, but I don't see why they wouldn't

Guess what, this ain't Saddam

We're talking about Bin Laden's driver. Europeans are in Afghanistan.

But that's not important. We're rather talking about justice. Justice involves fair trials. This trial is not fair. That's not justice. That's why I say European courts (but also the US civil ones I hope) would reject this sentence.

We also have problems of testimonies obtained by force. But our "court of cassation" (like your supreme court) would annul those trials.

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Sorry, I made a mistake. I was talking about Iraq in another thread and got the two confused. Maybe I should get some more sleep before posting again.

Regardless, not everyone will be happy with the way these trials are run. You simply can't please everyone all the time (or at all for some people). This may be a farce and it may be legitimate. The fact remains that we simply don't know everything that is taking place at the trials or what all the evidence is. However, I disagree about evidence obtained during questioning. You can't simply say it isn't true just because the guy was under stress/torture/pain during questioning. It is my hope though that they would do their due diligence and confirm from another source any evidence obtained from questioning.

DeeJayH

dont know about belgium, but here in the states, in for a penny in for a pound
if you are the getaway driver in a robbery, and somebody dies during the robbery, everybody goes down for murder. even the driver who never went in the store/bank

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bub

here too, but they would have to prove that, for example, the help of this driver changed something to the 9/11 attacks.

Lerxst

Good points both of you, Deej and bub.

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DeeJayH

well carrying around OBL and transporting weapons (RPGs) is enough for me