Iran 'digging 320,000 graves for invaders' - Page 2

UtahBill · 07-01-08, 08:31 PM

If they close the strait, all we need to do is launch a few cruise missles a day until they decide to open it again.....
Start with military targets, and select government buildings.....
But first, we should let the Arab world have about a week to try diplomacy. If they can't convince the Iranians to be nice, then start lobbing in the missles, a few a day, until they get sick of wondering what the next target might be....

Summerwind · 07-01-08, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

If they close the strait, all we need to do is launch a few cruise missles a day until they decide to open it again.....
Start with military targets, and select government buildings.....
But first, we should let the Arab world have about a week to try diplomacy. If they can't convince the Iranians to be nice, then start lobbing in the missles, a few a day, until they get sick of wondering what the next target might be....

The strait is only 75ft deep (or so) meaning that once a few ships are sunk, the strait will not be navigable until the ships are raised and removed. So even if we bombed the heck out of them, the strait would still be immobilized for a considerable time.

Gladiator · 07-01-08, 10:16 PM

The US can just cancel the treaty with Japan, from WWII, that makes the US responsible for providing oil to Japan. Then the Japanese can re-arm, full strength, and take over the Middle East.

The US can just stop being a world power, and let the others fight it out among themselves. Isn't that what Obama is saying? Isn't that what Obama's supporters want? The US should stop trying to push other peoples around, and let them fight it out among themselves.

The Republicans would hate to see the welders make overtime finishing the Persian Pipeline quickly. So the oil and gas pipelines around Iran are not a viable option. Wealthy welders would be unconscionalbe for Republicans.

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Gladiator · 07-01-08, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahBill

If they close the strait, all we need to do is launch a few cruise missles a day until they decide to open it again.....
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Isn't that what the Germans thought about the Brittish in WWII. Just bob London, and the Brittish will give in.

Using the terrorism of cruise missles against Islamic Terrorism is not a sure fire formula for success. You need a few more factors. The Iranians are devoted to making the West look foolish. It is widely believed in Iran that the US CIA has manipulated the Iranian government in the past 60 years. A few cruise missles a day would be worth seeing the gas lines arouind the blocks in the West, and fist fights breaking out as tensions rise.

Is your license number even or odd? What days will you be able to purchase gasoline for which of your cars?

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hackster · 07-01-08, 11:43 PM

they'll probably strike oil in some of those shallow graves that we can refine after our occupation.

1069 · 07-02-08, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

(Putting on my flame suit) I have to say, at least they are planning, that's a damned sight better than Bushco ever did. I guess this way they won't be getting bogged down having to dig those grave plots while in the middle of a conflict.

Yeah, really. Pragmatism rocks.

WI Crippler · 07-02-08, 01:01 PM

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How difficult is it to sink a ship with a shoulder missle from 20 Miles from a cave?

"We may be about to see anotherturning point, if our Navy is forced to 'open' the Straights of Hormuz, in the face of 100s of Iranian anti-ship cruise missiles.Â

This is what Iran bought those missilesfor. Iran has over 600 miles of coastline that is in point-blank missile range of the Persian gulf and Gulf of Oman shipping lanes. Iranian Sunburns, Silkworms and Exocets are on mobile launchers, hidden in caves and warehouses throughout a million square miles of mountainous cliffy terrain.Â The mobile missiles only need a spotter with eyes on the Hormuz, and a wire phone link to the cave. They will have "standing orders" to remain concealed and will still be launching salvos of missiles at our ships and oil tankers in that narrow space."

Iran: We'll Shut Down Straits of Hormuz

"The Strait of Hormuz, a narrow waterway separating the Arabian Gulf from the Gulf of Oman and the North Arabian Sea, is only about 40 miles wide, and is 34 miles wide at its narrowest point. By far the world's most important oil chokepoint, the Strait consists of 2-mile wide channels for inbound and outbound tanker traffic, as well as a 2-mile wide buffer zone.

The Persian Gulf is a shallow, semienclosed basin with a mean depth of only 25 to 40 m."

Arabian Gauntlet / OPLAN 1019

Ships have a 6 mile corridor for travel in the 34 mile wide Strait of Hormuz.

Seems like easy missle targets to me. Once a few ships are sunk in 75 feet of water, other ships will not be able to pass.

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Good thing that a carrier battle group can project power hundreds of miles then, huh? We don't need to send ships in, to open the lanes.

jallman · 07-02-08, 01:06 PM

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Good thing that a carrier battle group can project power hundreds of miles then, huh? We don't need to send ships in, to open the lanes.

Besides, if they try to block that strait, the rest of the ME will get pissed all to hell because Iran will be blocking their income, too. I'm not worried about the strait being blocked. And certainly not blocked for very long.

Summerwind · 07-02-08, 01:16 PM

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Besides, if they try to block that strait, the rest of the ME will get pissed all to hell because Iran will be blocking their income, too. I'm not worried about the strait being blocked. And certainly not blocked for very long.

You are kidding right? The ME has so much in profit cash as of late, and they will know that as soon as the ships do start moving they will be making even more profit since by then oil will be really sky high. I'm guessing that they will be happy to sit on things for a while and not get involved knowing that in the longer run it will put billions in their pockets.

jallman · 07-02-08, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwind

You are kidding right? The ME has so much in profit cash as of late, and they will know that as soon as the ships do start moving they will be making even more profit since by then oil will be really sky high. I'm guessing that they will be happy to sit on things for a while and not get involved knowing that in the longer run it will put billions in their pockets.

Or, they could be concerned that such a move might make us wash our hands of them and start producing our own alternative fuels along with drilling our own oil. I'm also pretty sure, we send them a lot of food supplies, etc. Wonder how they would like it if our food couldn't get to them because we had no oil or were unwilling to ship it because of the strain on our own reserves.