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Terrorists or not terrorists?

27 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch aircraft. Today's action took place north of the Iraqi city of Mosul. The Iraqi attack took place during routine flights to enforce the northern No-Fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense, dropping precision-guided-munitions (PGMs) on AAA sites in Iraq.

13 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) from two separate locations at Operation Northern Watch aircraft. Today's action was northeast and northwest of the city of Mosul.

10 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch aircraft. Today's action was in the vicinity of Tall-Afar.

09 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch aircraft. Today's action took place from sites north of Ba'ashiqah and Tali Kayif.

03 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch aircraft. This action took place from a site seven nautical miles north of Mosul. ONW aircraft were also targeted by surface-to-air missile (SAM) radar.

02 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft from three sites north of Mosul. The Iraqi attacks took place during routine flights the purpose of which are to enforce the northern No-Fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense. They dropped precision-guided-munitions on a radar site south of the city of Mosul, located in the northern no-fly zone.

01 Sep 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces again fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft from three sites north and northeast of Mosul. The Iraqi attacks took place during routine flights the purpose of which are to enforce the northern No-Fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense. They dropped precision-guided-munitions on a military surface-to-air attack support site west of the city of Mosul, located in the northern no-fly zone.

28 Aug 1999


Earlier today, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft from two sites north and northeast of Mosul, and an additional site in Tall Afar. Coalition aircraft also received indications of surface-to-air (SAM) guidance. The Iraqi attacks took place during routine flights the purpose of which are to enforce the northern No-Fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense. They dropped precision-guided-munitions on a military radar site south of the city of Mosul, located in the northern no-fly zone. A High-Speed-Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM) was fired in response to the SAM guidance signal.

25 Aug 1999


Earlier today, from a site northwest of Saddam Dam, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft. This attack was followed by the Iraqis repeatedly targeting Coalition aircraft with surface-to-air missile guidance radar from different locations in the northern no-fly zone. The Iraqi attacks took place during routine flights the purpose of which are to enforce the northern No-Fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense. They dropped precision-guided-munitions on a military ammunition and fuels depot where air defense munitions and fuel supplies are stored. The depot is at an isolated desert location, ten nautical miles southwest of the city of Mosul. Damage to the Iraqi installation is currently being assessed.

23 Aug 1999


On three separate occasions, from three different locations, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft. These attacks took place during routine flights, the purpose of which is to enforce the northern no-fly zone. Coalition aircraft responded in self-defense. They dropped precision-guided-munitions on a military radar site south of Saddam Dam. Equipment at this facility is used to gather information and in-turn target coalition aircraft.

17 Aug 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m., Iraqi time today, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft and tracked them with a surface-to-air missile (SAM) targeting radar. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force aircraft dropped precision guided munitions. A surface-to-air missile support site west of Mosul and the SAM site, targeting ONW aircraft, south of Mosul were struck.

16 Aug 1999


Between approximately 11:00 a.m. and 1:30 p.m., Iraqi time today, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped guided munitions. A radar site south of Saddam Dam was struck. Equipment at the radar facility is used to gather information and in-turn target coalition aircraft.

15 Aug 1999


Between approximately 10:00 a.m. and 1:30 p.m., Iraqi time today, Iraqi forces fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped guided munitions. A radar site south of Saddam Dam was struck. Equipment at the radar facility is used to gather information and in-turn target coalition aircraft.

13 Aug 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m., Iraqi time today, Iraqi forces launched surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and fired anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) at Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft. Responding in self-defense, a U.S. Air Force F-16CJ fired a high-speed-anti-radar-missile (HARM) and F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped guided munitions. An AAA site south of Mosul and a communications site north of Mosul were struck. Equipment at the communications facility is used to relay information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft.

10 Aug 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 11:30 a.m., Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped guided munitions on two separate communications facilities. Equipment at these facilities is used to relay information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft. The sites were to the north and northeast of the city of Mosul.

09 Aug 1999


Between approximately 9:00 a.m. and 12:00 noon Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped guided bombs on command and control sites north of Mosul.

04 Aug 1999


Between approximately 11:30 a.m. and 12:00 noon Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-10, GBU-12 and GBU-15 guided bombs on four different AAA emplacements and their support elements. These AAA sites were to the north, northwest, south, and southeast of the city of Mosul.

30 Jul 1999


Between approximately 11:30 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on AAA sites north and northwest of Mosul.

29 Jul 1999


Between approximately 11:00 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on AAA sites north of Mosul.

28 Jul 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA) fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on an AAA emplacement and a communication site. The two different sites were both north of Mosul. Equipment at the communications site is used to relay information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft.

27 Jul 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on command and control sites south of Mosul and anti-aircraft artillery sites southeast of Mosul.

26 Jul 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16CJ Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on a communication site north of Mosul. Equipment at this site is used to relay information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft.

18 Jul 1999


Between approximately 1:30 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16CJ Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on command and control sites south of Mosul.

16 Jul 1999


Between approximately 11:00 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on a communications facility southeast of Mosul. This site is used to transmit information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft.
14 Jul 1999


Between approximately 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on command and control sites west of Mosul.
 
13 Jul 1999


Between approximately 10:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on an intelligence and operations center southeast of Mosul. This site is used to process information from radars that in-turn target coalition aircraft.

08 Jul 1999


Between approximately 10:00 a.m. and 12:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on an intelligence and operations center southeast of Mosul. The site is used to process information from radars that in-turn can target coalition aircraft.

02 Jul 1999


Between approximately 12:30 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were shot at by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 precision guided munitions on a communication site southeast of Mosul. The site is used to relay Iraqi radar information from south of the 36th parallel to target ONW aircraft.

28 Jun 1999


Between approximately 11:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 precision guided munitions on an Iraqi military command and control site southwest of Mosul.

22 Jun 1999


Between approximately 11:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 precision guided munitions on an Iraqi military command and control site southwest of Mosul.

21 Jun 1999


Between approximately 11:30 a.m. and 2 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on an Iraqi military command and control site north of Mosul. Additionally, an Air Force F-16CJ Fighting Falcon launched an AGM-88 high-speed anti-radiation missile (HARM) at an Iraqi surface-to-air missile radar site east of Mosul.

18 Jun 1999


Between approximately 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on an Iraqi radar facility east of Mosul.

15 Jun 1999


Between approximately noon and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar and were fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 precision guided amunitions on Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites southeast of Mosul.

09 Jun 1999


Between approximately 12:30 p.m. and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery (AAA), posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided munitions on Iraqi military command and control facilities north of Mosul.

08 Jun 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were fired upon by anti-aircraft artillery (AAA), posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on Iraqi military communication facilities east of Mosul. The facilities were used to pass location information on ONW aircraft to Iraqi AAA units.

03 Jun 1999


Between approximately 11 a.m. and 1 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery, posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 precision guided munitions on Iraqi military command and control facilities south of Mosul.

02 Jun 1999


Between approximately noon and 2:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar, posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, a U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 precision guided munitions on Iraqi military command and control facilities south of Mosul.

31 May 1999


Between approximately 11:30 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, a U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Fighting Falcons launched an AGM-88 high-speed anti-radiation missile (HARM) at an Iraqi radar site in the vicinity of Mosul.

25 May 1999


Between approximately noon and 2:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected anti-aircraft artillery fire posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-10 and GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on a communication site north of Mosul. The site was used to feed location data on ONW aircraft to Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and surface-to-air missile sites.

23 May 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 1 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on anti-aircraft artillery sites west of Mosul.

15 May 1999


Between approximately 11 a.m. and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar, posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Fighting Falcons dropped AGM-88 high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) and F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on anti-aircraft artillery sites north of Mosul.

12 May 1999


Today, Operation Northern Watch aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by anti-aircraft artillery. In self-defense, coalition aircraft dropped GBU-12 and GBU-15 precision-guided bombs, and launched AGM-88 and AGM-130 missiles at Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery, radar and surface-to-air missile sites.

11 May 1999


Between approximately 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on Iraqi radar sites northeast of Mosul.

10 May 1999


Between approximately 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and command and control sites northwest of Mosul.

08 May 1999


Between approximately 2 p.m. and 3 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Fighting Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites northwest of Mosul.

03 May 1999


Between approximately 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi surface-to-air missiles. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16CJ Falcons fired AGM-88 and AGM-130 missiles at surface-to-air missile sites north of Mosul. In addition, F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on one of the surface-to-air missile sites.

02 May 1999


Between approximately 10:30 a.m. and 12:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites northwest of Mosul.

30 Apr 1999


Between approximately 3 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on Iraqi radar and anti-aircraft artillery sites south and northeast of Mosul. In addition, U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Falcons launched AGM-88 high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) at Iraqi radar and anti-aircraft artillery sites south and northeast of Mosul.

29 Apr 1999


Between approximately 2:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radar and fired upon by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and surface-to-air missiles (SAM). Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 and GBU-15 precision-guided bombs on anti-aircraft artillery and command and control sites in the vicinity of Mosul. In addition, U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Falcons launched AGM-88 high-speed anti-radiation missiles (HARM) at Iraqi radar sites targeting them south and west of Mosul. The command and control facilities were directly involved in the passing of targeting information on coalition aircraft to Iraqi SAM and anti-aircraft artillery sites.

27 Apr 1999


Between approximately 2:30 p.m. and 5 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar and observed Iraqi anti-aircraft fire posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on anti-aircraft sites northeast and south of Mosul. Also, a Marine EA-6B launched an AGM-88 missile at an anti-aircraft radar site northeast of Mosul.

25 Apr 1999


Between approximately 3:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch(ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C and F-16CJ Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs and launched a high-speed antiradiation missile (HARM) at anti-aircraft radar sites south and northeast of Mosul.
 
22 Apr 1999


Between approximately 3:45 p.m. and 5 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft observed anti-aircraft fire posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Falcons launched a high-speed antiradiation missile (HARM) on a radar site east of Mosul. Also, F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on anti-aircraft sites east and southeast of Mosul.

21 Apr 1999


Between approximately 2:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on anti-aircraft and surface-to-air missile sites west of Mosul.

19 Apr 1999


Between approximately 3:40 p.m. and 5:50 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 and GBU-15 laser guided bombs on radar sites in the vicinity of Mosul.

17 Apr 1999


Between approximately 1:40 p.m. and 2:40 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar and observed Iraqi anti-aircraft fire, posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles and F-16C Falcons dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on anti-aircraft sites north and northwest of Mosul. Marine EA-6B Prowlers launched AGM-88 missiles and Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles launched AGM-130 missiles on radar sites north and northwest of Mosul. Air Force F-16C Falcons also dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on a surface-to-air missile site northwest of Mosul.

16 Mar 1999


Between approximately 11:45 p.m. and 12:15 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on several anti-aircraft artillery sites northwest of Mosul.

15 Mar 1999


Between approximately 12:15 p.m. and 1:00 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch (ONW) aircraft detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on several anti-aircraft artillery sites northwest of Mosul.

14 Mar 1999


Between approximately 12:45 p.m. and 1:20 p.m. Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch aircraft observed Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire and detected Iraqi radar posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs on several anti-aircraft artillery sites northwest and west of Mosul.

12 Mar 1999


Between 10:30 a.m. and noon Iraqi time today, Operation Northern Watch aircraft detected several active Iraqi radars posing a threat to coalition aircraft. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser guided bombs and a U.S. Marine Corps EA-6B Prowler fired a High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile on several Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites north and northwest of Mosul.

09 Mar 1999


Between approximately 12:35 and 1 p.m. Iraqi time, Operation Northern Watch coalition aircraft detected several active Iraqi radars posing a threat to coalition forces. Responding in self defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on several Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites west and south of Mosul.

08 Mar 1999


Between approximately 12:35 p.m. and 1:35 p.m. Iraqi time, Operation Northern Watch coalition aircraft detected several active Iraqi radars posing a threat to coalition forces. Responding in self-defense, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on several Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites around Saddam Lake. Coalition aircraft have been enforcing the Northern no-fly zone nearly eight years. Since Dec. 28, 1998, Saddam Hussein has opted to challenge this enforcement by targeting coalition aircraft with radar, surface-to-air missile systems and anti-aircraft artillery. Operation Northern Watch coalition aircraft will respond in self defense to these threats while continuing to enforce the no-fly zone.

06 Mar 1999


Between 12:20 and 2:20 p.m. Iraqi time, Operation Northern Watch coalition aircraft observed Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone. Responding in self defense to this attack and to threats from Iraqi surface-to-air missile radar systems, U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles attacked five Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery sites located south of Saddam Lake with GBU-12 laser guided bombs.

01 Mar 1999


Between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m. Iraqi time, while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone, and in response to several incidents of Iraqi radar targeting coalition aircraft, U.S. F-15Es from Operation Northern Watch (ONW) dropped more than thirty 2,000 pound and 500 pound laser guided bombs on Iraqi communications sites, radio relay sites, and anti-aircraft artillery sites. The incidents happened near Mosul, Iraq.

28 Feb 1999


Between 1:55 and 2:15 p.m. Iraqi time, while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone, and in response to anti-aircraft artillery fire, an Operation Northern Watch (ONW) flight of U.S. F-15Es launched AGM-130 air-to-ground guided missiles and dropped GBU-24 laser-guided bombs on an Iraqi air defense headquarters and radio relay site. Additonally, between 2:13 and 2:35 p.m. Iraqi time, F-15Es dropped GBU-12 and GBU-24 laser-guided bombs on the radio relay site, as well as on an Iraqi surface-to-air missile site. The Iraqi radio relay site was being used by the Iraqi government to pass targeting data from Iraqi's radars to Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery guns shooting at coalition aircraft. Coalition forces did not target nor was there damage to an Iraqi pipeline or an Iraqi oil pumping station. The incidents happened near Mosul, Iraq.

23 Feb 1999


Between 1:45 and 2:00 p.m. Iraqi time, while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone, and in response to anti-aircraft artillery fire, three U.S. F-15Es dropped GBU-24 precision guided bombs on an Iraqi command and control bunker.

22 Feb 1999


Between 11:15 and 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time, while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone, a flight of U.S. F-15Es dropped GBU-12 and GBU-10 precision guided bombs on multiple Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery and radar sites near Mosul after being fired upon and targeted by those sites.

19 Feb 1999


Between 12:10 p.m. and 12:30 p.m. Iraqi time, while conducting routine enforcement of the northern no-fly zone, two U.S. F-16CJs launched AGM-88 high-speed antiradiation missiles (HARM) in self defense at a radar site near Mosul that had illuminated the aircraft.

15 Feb 1999


At approximately 11:20 a.m. Iraqi time, a flight of F-15Es enforcing the Northern no-fly zone over Iraq today was fired upon by an anti-aircraft artillery site north of Mosul. In response to this hostile act, one of the F-15Es dropped a GBU-12 on the AAA site. Also, at approximately 12:26 p.m. Iraqi time, a Marine Corps EA-6B launched a high-speed antiradiation missile (HARM) in self defense at a radar site that had targeted the aircraft.

12 Feb 1999


At approximately 1:30 p.m. Iraqi time, an F-15E enforcing the Northern no-fly zone over Iraq was fired upon by an anti-aircraft artillery site north of Mosul. The F-15E dropped a GBU-12 in response to this hostile act.

11 Feb 1999


Between approximately 12:15 and 12:30 p.m. Iraqi time, a U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle flight observed Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery fire and was also illuminated by an Iraqi radar system near Mosul. Acting in self-defense, one F-15E dropped; GBU-12s on an Iraqi surface-to-air missile communications site. Two F-15Es launched an AGM-130 and dropped GBU-12s on an Iraqi surface-to-air missile system. At 1:32 p.m. Iraqi time, a U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle dropped GBU-12 precision- guided munitions on an Iraqi surface-to-air missile site west of Mosul. Two minutes later, a U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Fighting Falcon launched an AGM-88 high-speed antiradiation missile at an Iraqi radar site northwest of Mosul. Close to 1:38 p.m. Iraqi time, a U.S. Air Force F-15E dropped GBU-12s on a surface-to-air missile communications site east of Mosul.
02 Feb 1999


At 2:20 p.m. Iraqi time, two U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles dropped two GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on an anti-aircraft artillery battery in response to being targeted by Iraqi radar near Mosul. In a separate incident approximately 15 minutes later, two additional F-15Es, also responding after being targeted by Iraqi radar, dropped GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on the same anti-aircraft artillery site. In a third incident at approximately 3:15 p.m. Iraqi time, a U.S. Marine EA-6B launched a high-speed anti-radiation missile (HARM) at an SA-2 radar site. In a fourth incident at approximately 3:20 p.m. Iraqi time, F-15Es dropped GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on an anti-aircraft artillery site. Finally, in a fifth incident which occurred at approximately 3:30 p.m. Iraqi time, F-15Es dropped GBU-12s on another anti-aircraft artillery site.
 
31 Jan 1999


At approximately 3:20 p.m. Iraqi time today, a U.S. Air Force F-16CJ Fighting Falcon acting in self defense launched a high-speed antiradiation missile (HARM) at a radar system north of Mosul.

30 Jan 1999


At approximately 3 p.m. Iraqi time, coalition aircraft were targeted by Iraqi radars near Mosul. A U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagle responded in self defense by launching an AGM-130 at the radar site. A second incident occurred shortly after 3 p.m. Iraqi time. A group of U.S. Air Force F-15E Strike Eagles acting in self defense after being targeted, dropped two GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on an Iraqi Skyguard surface-to-air missile site. In a third incident at about the same time, F-15Es acting in self defense dropped two GBU-12 precision-guided munitions on an anti-aircraft artillery system and its associated radar which threatened coalition aircraft. The fourth incident occurred close to 3:30 p.m. Iraqi time, when F-15Es acting in self-defense dropped GBU-12s on another anti-aircraft artillery site. In a fifth incident at approximately 4:30 p.m. Iraqi time, a U.S. Marine EA-6B Prowler fired a high-speed antiradiation missile in response to being targeted by a radar-guided anti-aircraft artillery system. Finally in the sixth incident a minute later, F-15Es responded defensively by dropping GBU-12s on a separate anti-aircraft artillery site.

28 Jan 1999


At approximately 3:45p.m. Iraqi time, two F-15Es observed fire by an anti-aircraft artillery site located north of Mosul. In self-defense, the two F-15Es dropped GBU-12s on the anti-aircraft artillery site.

26 Jan 1999


Between 1:25 and 1:50 p.m. Iraqi time, coalition aircraft were targeted by Iraqi surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery systems in three separate incidents near Mosul. An EA-6B Prowler, acting in self defense after being targeted by Iraqi radar, launched a HARM at an Iraqi radar site. An F-15E dropped a GBU-12 500-pound precision-guided munition in response to an anti-aircraft artillery system which posed a threat to coalition aircraft. In another incident, two F-15Es fired one AGM-130 each at a radar site which had targeted coalition aircraft. In another incident between 3 and 3:30 p.m. Iraqi time, coalition aircraft were again targeted by anti-aircraft artillery systems near Mosul. Three F-15Es, acting in self defense after being targeted by Iraqi anti-aircraft artillery systems, dropped GBU-12 500-pound precision-guided munitions.

25 Jan 1999


Between 1:57 and 2:30 p.m. Iraqi time, coalition aircraft were again illuminated and fired upon by Iraqi surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery systems in several incidents. An F-15E was fired upon by an anti-aircraft artillery system. Two F-15Es then dropped one GBU-12 each on the system. In another incident, an EA-6B launched a HARM at an SA-2 SAM site that posed a threat to coalition forces in the area. An F-16CJ launched a HARM at a different SA-2 SAM site that posed a threat to coalition forces in the area. Coalition forces observed an Iraqi SAM launch in the vicinity of coalition aircraft. Coalition aircraft departed the area and continued operations.

24 Jan 1999


Between 2:30 and 3:30 p.m. Iraqi time, coalition aircraft were again targeted by Iraqi surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery systems near Mosul. An EA-6B Prowler and two F-16CJs fired HARMs in self defense. The aircraft responded to being targeted by Iraqi radars used to guide anti-aircraft artillery. Another F-16CJ fired a HARM at an Iraqi surface-to-air missile system. Earlier in the day, an F-15E Strike Eagle scored a direct hit on an Iraqi SA-3 SAM site with an AGM-130, which posed a threat to coalition forces in the region.

14 Jan 1999


In separate incidents, an F-16C/J fired a HARM and an F-15E launched an AGM-130 against Iraqi air defenses threatening coalition aircraft over northern Iraq.

13 Jan 1999


Iraqi SAM systems tracked and fired on coalition planes over northern Iraq. An F-16 retaliated by firing a HARM at a radar site, and two F-15Es claimed direct hits on SAM sites by two AGM-130 precision guided missiles. An EA-6B also launched a HARM against a SAM radar.

12 Jan 1999


An F-16C/J fired a HARM at Iraqi early warning radar east of Mosul. Five Iraqi jets violated the southern no-fly zone and two entered the north, bringing the total violations in both zones since Desert Fox to more than 70, Pentagon officials said.

11 Jan 1999


An Iraqi SAM radar began tracking Northern Watch aircraft at approximately 1045L. Two Northern Watch F-15Es dropped precision guided bombs on an SA-6 site near Mosul; an F-16C/J fired a HARM an an Iraqi radar site a short while later.

07 Jan 1999


At about 1115L, a Northern Watch F-16C/J fired a HARM at a Roland surface-to-missile site 15 miles northwest of Mosul after being targeted by the site’s radar.

05 Jan 1999


In two separate incidents, two F-15s and two F-14s fired a total of six missiles at four Iraqi MiG-25s over the southern no-fly zone. None of the missiles found its target.
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1998



30 Dec 1998


An SA-6 site near Talil fired 6-8 missiles at Southern Watch aircraft. F-16s retaliated by dropping six GBU-12 laser-guided bombs on the site. They also launched two HARMs "as a preemptive measure" to deter Iraqi radar operators.

28 Dec 1998


The Iraqis fired three SAMs at Northern Watch aircraft; all missed. The planes retaliated by launching three HARMs.

19 Dec 1998


Following an UNSCOM report detailing continued Iraqi obstruction, the US and Great Britain conducted a four-day (16-19 Dec) aerial bombing campaign, nicknamed Desert Fox. Northern Watch aircraft did not participate.

13 Nov 1998


President Clinton ordered air attacks on Iraq but canceled the order the following morning, as planes were in the air, following an Iraqi promise the UN weapons inspectors could resume work.

31 Oct 1998


Iraq announced it was stopping all cooperation with UNSCOM.

05 Aug 1998


Iraq stopped UNSCOM inspections but allowed monitoring to continue.

23 Feb 1998


UN Secretary General Kofi Annan reached agreement with Saddam Hussein on resumed UNSCOM inspections.

31 Jan 1998


During January, Iraq continued to deny UN inspectors full access and sought to dictate the nationality of team members.
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1997



20 Nov 1997


Saddam Hussein announced that all UN inspectors could return. US reinforcements continued to flow to the Gulf until 27 November in Operation "Phoenix Scorpion."

15 Nov 1997


The US sent another carrier battle group to the Gulf.

13 Nov 1997


Iraq expelled US weapons inspectors serving with the UN Special Commission; the commission withdrew all inspectors.

01 Jan 1997


The Turkish government approved a continuing air operation from Turkey, and Operation NORTHERN WATCH commenced.
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1996



31 Dec 1996


Operation PROVIDE COMFORT officially ended.

04 Nov 1996


A Southern Watch F-16CJ fired a HARM at an Iraqi mobile missile radar near the 32d parallel after the pilot received radar warning signals.

02 Nov 1996


A Southern Watch F-16CJ fired a HARM at an Iraqi mobile missile radar near the 32d parallel after the pilot received radar warning signals. Later analysis indicated the Iraqi radar had not tracked the aircraft, a conclusion reversed on 4 November after further study by the Joint Staff.

11 Sep 1996


Iraqi gunners fired an SA-6 missile at two US F-16s over northern Iraq but missed; a fighter and helicopter briefly violated the southern no-fly zone. The US deployed two B-52s to Diego Garcia and ordered F-117A fighters to the Gulf.

04 Sep 1996


A US F-16 patrolling the extended Southern Watch no-fly zone fired a HARM at an Iraqi SA-8 air defense radar after the radar locked onto it. Four Navy ships launched 17 more cruise missiles against targets in southern Iraq.

03 Sep 1996


Retaliating for the Iraqi attack, the US launched 27 cruise missiles against targets in southern Iraq. Two Navy ships launched 14 Tomahawk missiles, while two B-52s fired 13 conventionally armed cruise missiles. The US also extended the Southern Watch no-fly zone to include all areas of Iraq south of the 33d parallel, one degree further north.
31 Aug 1996


Iraqi forces intervened in fighting between Kurdish factions in northern Iraq, helping the Kurdish Democratic Party (KDP) capture Irbil, the main Kurdish city in northern Iraq.
 
1993



21 Dec 1993



Iraqi troops fired on a patrol from CTF Provide Comfort's Military Coordination Center near Faydah in northern Iraq. The patrol was within the security zone established 22 May 1991; the Iraqis were over a mile away and outside the security zone. Baghdad denied Western reports of the incident as "fabricated and baseless."

19 Aug 1993


Two Provide Comfort F-16s reported possible SA-3 launches west of Mosul and responded with cluster bombs. Two F-15s dropped four laser-guided bombs on the site an hour later.

29 Jul 1993


In separate incidents, two US Navy EA-6Bs, part of Joint Task Force Southwest Asia, fired anti-radar missiles at Iraqi SAM sites after being illuminated by the sites' surveillance radars.

29 Jun 1993


A Southern Watch F-4G fired an anti-radar missile at a AAA site after the Iraqis illuminated it and another F-4G patrolling the southern no-fly zone.

26 Jun 1993


Retaliating for Iraqi complicity in an attempt to assassinate former President Bush, the US fired 23 cruise missiles at the headquarters of the Iraqi secret police in Baghdad.

18 Apr 1993


An Iraqi radar site illuminated two Provide Comfort Wild Weasels flying north of the 36th parallel. The site was south of the parallel. One of the Weasels, an F-4G, fired an AGM-88 at the tracking radar and destroyed it.

09 Apr 1993


Iraqi AAA sites fired on Provide Comfort aircraft near the Saddam Dam in northern Iraq.

03 Feb 1993


Iraqi gunners fired at Provide Comfort aircraft on routine patrol over northern Iraq.

22 Jan 1993


An F-4G fired two missiles at a SAM site in northern Iraq.

21 Jan 1993


A F-16 and an F-4G escorting a French Mirage reconnaissance plane over northern Iraq attacked an Iraqi missile battery after the site's search radar began tracking them.

19 Jan 1993


In two separate incidents, Provide Comfort aircraft clashed with Iraqi air defenses. An F-4G fired a missile at a SAM radar site east of Mosul after the radar "locked onto" the Weasel. About three hours later, two F-16s dropped cluster bombs on a AAA site after being fired at.

18 Jan 1993


Provide Comfort F-4Gs attacked surface-to-air missile sites in northern Iraq after being fired on, and F-16s dropped cluster bombs on Bashiqah airfield after being attacked by AAA fire. In the south, JTF Southern Watch sent 75 US, British, and French aircraft to attack Iraqi missile sites south of the 32d parallel.

17 Jan 1993


Iraqi AAA fired on two Provide Comfort F-16s. Neither plane was hit and neither returned fire. About an hour later, an F-4G attacked an air defense site that was targeting French reconnaissance planes. An hour and a half after that, a Provide Comfort F-16 shot down an Iraqi MiG over northern Iraq,. In the south, US warships fired 45 cruise missiles against the Zarfaraniyah nuclear fabrication facility near Baghdad.

15 Jan 1993


Iraqi AAA fired on a pair of Provide Comfort F-111Fs in two separate incidents. Neither aircraft was hit; neither returned fire.

13 Jan 1993


With Iraqi missile sites still operational south of the 32d parallel, and Iraqi troops making repeated forays across the newly demarcated border with Kuwait, President Bush ordered punitive strikes against 32 Iraqi missile sites and air defense command centers.

07 Jan 1993


Tension eased in the Persian Gulf. Despite defiant rhetoric, the Iraqis began removing their missiles from the southern no-fly zone.

06 Jan 1993


The US, Britain, France and Russia issued a joint ultimatum to Iraq, demanding that Baghdad withdraw all surface-to-air missiles south of the 32d parallel.
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1992



27 Dec 1992


A Southern Watch F-16 intercepted and shot down an Iraqi MiG violating the southern no-fly zone.

26 Aug 1992


President Bush announced Operation Southern Watch, which banned all Iraqi flights south of the 32d parallel. He imposed the new restrictions in response to Saddam Hussein’s attacks on Shiite rebels and civilians in southern Iraq. On 28 August, USAFE deployed four F-4Gs from the 52d Fighter Wing to Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, to support the new operation.

05 Apr 1992


Iranian warplanes attacked rebel bases inside Iraq. Iraq responded by scrambling fighters and (unsuccessfully) pursuing the intruders. Combined Task Force Provide Comfort did not interfere. The Iraqis continued to fly on succeeding days, effectively overturning the ban on all their flying which they had observed since 22 March 1991.
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1991



27 Jun 1991


As Provide Comfort ground units began their withdrawal from northern Iraq, US officials reiterated their earlier ban on Iraqi flights north of the 36th parallel.

10 Apr 1991


US officials warned Iraq not to interfere with relief operations. No Iraqi planes (fixed- or rotary-winged) were to fly north of the 36th parallel.

07 Apr 1991


Combined Task Force Provide Comfort began humanitarian relied operations from Incirlik AB, Turkey.

05 Apr 1991


United Nations Resolution 688, which demanded Iraq immediately end repression of its civilian population, was adopted by the Security Council. President Bush ordered US European Command to assist Kurds and other refugees in the mountains of northern Iraq. The Kurds had rebelled against Iraqi rule following Baghdad’s defeat in the Gulf war, but Iraqi forces soon defeated the rebels.

03 Apr 1991


United Nations Resolution 687, which reaffirmed the need to be assured of Iraq’s peaceful intentions in the light of its unlawful invasion and occupation of Kuwait and prohibited Iraq from manufacturing or using weapons of mass destruction, was adopted by the Security Council.

22 Mar 1991


A US F-15C shot down another Iraqi SU-22 over northern Iraq. That same day, another US pilot intimidated the pilot of an Iraqi PC-9 (a training aircraft) to eject. Iraqi fixed-wing aircraft stayed on the ground for the next 12 months.

20 Mar 1991


A US F-15C shot down an Iraqi SU-22 flying over northern Iraq.

03 Mar 1991


At cease-fire talks with the Iraqis at Safwan, General Norman Schwarzkopf warned the Iraqis that coalition forces would shot down any Iraqi military aircraft flying over the country.

28 Feb 1991


President George Bush announced a cease-fire, ending the Gulf war.
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1990


29 Nov 1990


United Nations Resolution 678, which authorized member states to use all means necessary to ensure Iraq complied with earlier demands to withdraw its forces from where they were located on 1 August 1990, was adopted by the Security Council.
 
first off, where is the link?
2nd off, no fly zone is BS. since when does anyone comply with what the UN wants? the usa didn't even do that in their invasion!

there is no way u can prove that iraq was a threat to the usa. i mean unless u wanna make up the wmd's.
don't waste mine and your time.
 
first off, where is the link?
2nd off, no fly zone is BS. since when does anyone comply with what the UN wants? the usa didn't even do that in their invasion!

No Saddam murdering Shia in the South and Kurds in the North is Bullshit, the no-fly zones were necessary to stop his genocide.

there is no way u can prove that iraq was a threat to the usa. i mean unless u wanna make up the wmd's.
don't waste mine and your time.

Bottom line between 1991 and 2003 Saddam perpetrated hundreds of acts of war against the U.S. so O.I.F. is absolutely justified on that basis alone.
 
Originally posted by Unfair:
the us troops are terrorists and murderers.
they're in a land/country that did nothing to them and are killing innocent women and children and raping them as well.
may they all come back in bodybags where they belong.
god bless iraq.
The majority of the troops are not there to rape, pillage and murder. They are a very professional organization trying to do an impossible, un-realistic job. There are the criminal elements that have been doing what you say. And the is the flawed procedural commands coming down from above. We have done some very bad things in Iraq. But most of the GI's there have done nothing to deserve a "body-bag". Except GySgt. Which he appropiately named, "Kelzie".

As for God blessing Iraq. I think that's Allah's jurisdiction.
 
TOT, that's the 2nd time you posted that marathon post.

Dammit, there are rules against such repetitive bombast!
 
TOT, that's the second time you posted that marathon post.

Dammit, there are rules against such repetitive bombast!
 
No Saddam murdering Shia in the South and Kurds in the North is Bullshit, the no-fly zones were necessary to stop his genocide.

But you posted all that spam in response to unfair asking what Iraq did *TO THE U.S.*

Iraq did nothing to the U.S., Saddam didn't harm us in any way, shape or form by flying over the artificially imposed no-fly zone.

So do try again.
 
No Saddam murdering Shia in the South and Kurds in the North is Bullshit, the no-fly zones were necessary to stop his genocide.

First, the no-fly zones weren't authorized by the UN, meaning that the Iraqi military could shoot at helicopters as much as they wanted and it wouldn't be "illegal".

Second, in many cases the helicopters involved in the no-fly zones wouldn't get involved in massacres. Many shootings happened with US helicopters flying idly overhead.

Bottom line between 1991 and 2003 Saddam perpetrated hundreds of acts of war against the U.S. so O.I.F. is absolutely justified on that basis alone.

What are those? And don't spam again, just tell me what they were.

The majority of the troops are not there to rape, pillage and murder. They are a very professional organization trying to do an impossible, un-realistic job. There are the criminal elements that have been doing what you say. And the is the flawed procedural commands coming down from above. We have done some very bad things in Iraq. But most of the GI's there have done nothing to deserve a "body-bag".

They're occupying Iraq and enforcing the imperialist domination of one country by another...
 
Originally posted by Khayembii Communique
Second, in many cases the helicopters involved in the no-fly zones wouldn't get involved in massacres. Many shootings happened with US helicopters flying idly overhead.
And thirdly, we were bombing the holy s.h.i.t out of them under the cover of no-fly zone enforcement trying to provoke them into a war.

Iraq has every right to defend itself. If they dropped that much ordinance in my backyard, I'd be shooting at planes too.
 
TOT takes 2 pages (He should get a warning from a mod) to state one fact : Iraq fired at US hundreds of times in NFZ. When it seems nobody denies the fact.

The next page, a co-production of 3 minds, produces another simple fact - NFZ weren't authorized by the UN. When it seems nobody denies the fact.

3 pages to state 2 facts nobody denies? As soon as I get determined to leave, things get interesting.

How many more pages would it take to state the next fact: no special or additional authorization is required for each and every action taken by a State Member implementing resolutions of UN.

Iraq was not allowed to defend himself according to the resolution: "Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against … any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution."

Preventing the following production of the 3 minds from ‘’Billo and Co. Bureau of Islamo- Fascist Propaganda’’ , making up that US, UK and France were not in the process of implementing UN resolutions , - the fact is that only UN could decide so, but not Sadam with ‘’Billo and Co BOIFP’’.
 
Originally posted by Justone:
Iraq was not allowed to defend himself according to the resolution: "Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against … any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution."

Preventing the following production of the 3 minds from ‘’Billo and Co. Bureau of Islamo- Fascist Propaganda’’ , making up that US, UK and France were not in the process of implementing UN resolutions , - the fact is that only UN could decide so, but not Sadam with ‘’Billo and Co BOIFP’’.
Running over 2000 sorties dropping over 600 bombs on over 300 pre-selected targets 9 months before H.R.114 and you say they don't have a right to defend themselves! That is just sick! Do you have any sense of right or wrong?

UN resolutions didn't say anything about that!

Show me anywhere in any resolution the UN issued on Iraq that contains the words "regime change" and I will cut you a check for a $1,000.00.

Your post started with a bunch of bullshit and ended with no sense at all.

What the hell does this mean?
the fact is that only UN could decide so, but not Sadam with ‘’Billo and Co BOIFP’’
BTW, I'm just as much against people who commit crimes of terrorism as you are. Maybe even more so. Because I believe in identifying the real problem and coming up with real solutions to solve that problem. I'm not some Republican who believes (and makes excuses for) every lie Bush tells.
 
Running over 2000 sorties dropping over 600 bombs on over 300 pre-selected targets 9 months before H.R.114 and you say they don't have a right to defend themselves! That is just sick! Do you have any sense of right or wrong?

UN resolutions didn't say anything about that!
What is your need to repeat the same fact the 4th time? We all agree UN resolutions didn't say anything about bombs and sorties. I only disagree with your count – in fact, it took more than 40,000 sorties dropping hundred of thousands bombs in acts of implementing UN resolutions. You may say UN was right, you may say UN was wrong, but it does not change the facts.
Show me anywhere in any resolution the UN issued on Iraq that contains the words "regime change" and I will cut you a check for a $1,000.00.

Your post started with a bunch of bullshit and ended with no sense at all.

What the hell does this mean?
Only that you have no facts to rebut the quoted UN resolution.
BTW, I'm just as much against people who commit crimes of terrorism as you are. Maybe even more so. Because I believe in identifying the real problem and coming up with real solutions to solve that problem. I'm not some Republican who believes (and makes excuses for) every lie Bush tells.

Sure, sure, you want me to beleive you..
 
Originally posted by Justone:
What is your need to repeat the same fact the 4th time? We all agree UN resolutions didn't say anything about bombs and sorties. I only disagree with your count – in fact, it took more than 40,000 sorties dropping hundred of thousands bombs in acts of implementing UN resolutions. You may say UN was right, you may say UN was wrong, but it does not change the facts.

Only that you have no facts to rebut the quoted UN resolution.
Bombing people is a military act. There was only one UN resolution that authorized military force, that was 687. But that resolution was to get Iraq out of Kuwait, not the US into Iraq. 1441 did not authorize military force. The UNSC did not delagate it's decision to call the shots if Iraq was not in compliance. So no, the only fact is, the bombings were an act of war by this country and the UK during an official cease-fire.

That's a fact, Jack!
 
Originally posted by Justone:
Sure, sure, you want me to beleive you..
No. I want you to have the personal integrity to find out for yourself instead of winging it with things you think you know.
 
Bombing people is a military act. There was only one UN resolution that authorized military force, that was 687. But that resolution was to get Iraq out of Kuwait, not the US into Iraq. 1441 did not authorize military force. The UNSC did not delagate it's decision to call the shots if Iraq was not in compliance. So no, the only fact is, the bombings were an act of war by this country and the UK during an official cease-fire.

That's a fact, Jack!
Not 687, but 678. Again, you intention is to confuse.
678 authorized use of force. It was never cancelled. Moreover 687 refers to 678. You understand, that 678 never was canceled, but you pretend it was. 687 is not the seize fire agreement. It was a supplement to seize fire. Seize fire was Bush’s decision and Bush’s terms. He needed no authorization to seize fire. He needed no authorization to renew fire if his decision turned to be premature. His decision to seize fire did not seize 678.

I said: ""No special or additional authorization is required for each and every action taken by a State Member implementing resolutions of UN. "" Now you make me stay and explain the most basic common sense things.

678 is still active. 687 is still active. Now 1441 is active.

‘’3. Insists that Iraq allow immediate access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in all parts of Iraq and to make available all necessary facilities for their operations;

5. Requests further the Secretary-General to use all the resources at his disposal, including those of the relevant United Nations agencies, to address urgently the critical needs of the refugees and displaced Iraqi population; ‘’

If for the immediate access Bush wants to stop traffic on a road in Iraq he needs no special authorization. If for the immediate access Bush wants to stop air traffic in Iraq he needs no special authorization. Under the given resolutions ordering to stop air traffic constitutes no act of aggression, no act of war. If a UN help convoy on an Iraqi road orders to clear road for the immediate pass, Iraq has to comply. How else are you going to get to Kurds? If an Iraqi military attacks the convoy, it has the right to shoot back, no UN authorization asked. If it is aimed at it can call for an air support. No additional authorization needed.

UN resolution ordered Iraq no hostility towards US as a member state. Under no circumstances! Also it was not US only in NFZ, but also UK and even France.

You could go to UN and ask for a new resolution to remove the NFZ and to condemn US, GB and France. Why you did not do? Because you knew you had no case. You still have no case.

What you want Billo that, if there is a genocide/hunger in a country, and UN convoy with food , under resolutions of UN is moving on a road, you want to create traffic and hostility on the road so UN would not reach the designation. Also you want to create a dangerous airtraffic in the air so UN planes would not be able to fly. You were apparently enjoying to see the genocide against Kurds, since you hated when UN resolution was implemented actively by Bush and Blair. You encourage dictators or anybody to find way to stop humanitarian help. In you opinion only help to Islamo fascists is humane. And so you are providing it.


No. I want you to have the personal integrity to find out for yourself instead of winging it with things you think you know.

No, Billo, I am not very knowledgeable about UN, I admit. But you are a very good source for me. Anytime when you point your finger in one direction I know the truth is laying in exactly opposite direction. You make it so easy for me.


You are, of course, more help for me than some others, but I did not intend to stay here for so long.
So, if I do not get back to you, the truth will be in the opposite direction from what you will say.
 
Iraq was not allowed to defend himself according to the resolution: "Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against … any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution."

The problem with this argument is that with regards to the no-fly zones the US wasn't "taking action to uphold any Council resolution."

There was only one UN resolution that authorized military force, that was 687.

Where did it do that? I think this was a typo; UNR678 is what authorized force.

678 authorized use of force. It was never cancelled. Moreover 687 refers to 678. You understand, that 678 never was canceled, but you pretend it was. 687 is not the seize fire agreement. It was a supplement to seize fire.

The only ceasefire was between Iraq and Kuwait. There wasn't any ceasefire between Iraq and the US because it wasn't necessary. UNR687 explicitly stated that the military actions against Iraq of Member States acting in accordance with UNR678 should end.

Seize fire was Bush’s decision and Bush’s terms.

Actually it was the UN's when they stated "the conditions will be established for the Member States cooperating with Kuwait in accordance with resolution 678 (1990) to bring their military presence in Iraq to an end consistent with resolution 686 (1991)."

He needed no authorization to renew fire if his decision turned to be premature.

The UN Charter says otherwise.

His decision to seize fire did not seize 678.

No, but UNR687 did.
 
The Iraq Liberation Act

The Iraq Liberation Act made regime change in Iraq a matter of US policy.

October 31, 1998

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release

October 31, 1998

STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT

Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the "Iraq Liberation Act of 1998." This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.

Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are: The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and law-abiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else. The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council's efforts to keep the current regime's behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.

On October 21, 1998, I signed into law the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999, which made $8 million available for assistance to the Iraqi democratic opposition. This assistance is intended to help the democratic opposition unify, work together more effectively, and articulate the aspirations of the Iraqi people for a pluralistic, participa--tory political system that will include all of Iraq's diverse ethnic and religious groups. As required by the Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for FY 1998 (Public Law 105-174), the Department of State submitted a report to the Congress on plans to establish a program to support the democratic opposition. My Administration, as required by that statute, has also begun to implement a program to compile information regarding allegations of genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes by Iraq's current leaders as a step towards bringing to justice those directly responsible for such acts.

The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 provides additional, discretionary authorities under which my Administration can act to further the objectives I outlined above. There are, of course, other important elements of U.S. policy. These include the maintenance of U.N. Security Council support efforts to eliminate Iraq's weapons and missile programs and economic sanctions that continue to deny the regime the means to reconstitute those threats to international peace and security. United States support for the Iraqi opposition will be carried out consistent with those policy objectives as well. Similarly, U.S. support must be attuned to what the opposition can effectively make use of as it develops over time. With those observations, I sign H.R. 4655 into law.

WILLIAM J. CLINTON

THE WHITE HOUSE,

October 31, 1998.

Middle East & Islamic Studies, URL: http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast
Ali Houissa, The Middle East & Islamic Studies Bibliographer.
 
Originally Posted by bhkad
The Iraq Liberation Act made regime change in Iraq a matter of US policy.
We have absolutely no right telling sovereign nations what they can and cannot do within their own territorial borders. And it is pretty arrogant to think we can dictate who leads what country. It's none of our god-damn business!
 
I was going to comment on the other stuff you said, but Khayembii Communique covered those bases. I do apologize for the typo on 678.


Originally posted by Justone:
What you want Billo that, if there is a genocide/hunger in a country, and UN convoy with food , under resolutions of UN is moving on a road, you want to create traffic and hostility on the road so UN would not reach the designation. Also you want to create a dangerous airtraffic in the air so UN planes would not be able to fly. You were apparently enjoying to see the genocide against Kurds, since you hated when UN resolution was implemented actively by Bush and Blair. You encourage dictators or anybody to find way to stop humanitarian help. In you opinion only help to Islamo fascists is humane. And so you are providing it.
It's a lot easier when you write both sides of the argument, isn't it? However, I'm not into fiction. And I don't believe you have a humanitarian bone in your body regarding Iraqis and this facade of caring is just a ruse and a smoke screen. You don't give a damn about Iraqis. At least a half a million of them have died as a result of our invasion, but you don't give it a second thought. That's not caring about Iraqis. We made sure UN sanctions on Iraq were so harsh for 10 years that it resulted in a 50% rise in infant deaths. You're not concerned about that either. You think dropping all those bombs have something to do with no-fly zone enforcement. Incidently, that no-fly zone was extended so far into Iraq that it covered part of Bagdad. Not think about this, here's a sovereign nation that can't even fly over their own capitol.

A lot of people are so disconnected with the reality in Iraq that there is no way I'm going to believe this horseshit that we went in there and sacrificed 3500 of our own citizens at a cost of 9 billion a month just so another country could have a better life!

Stop lying to yourself...
 
We have absolutely no right telling sovereign nations what they can and cannot do within their own territorial borders. And it is pretty arrogant to think we can dictate who leads what country. It's none of our god-damn business!

Uh, yes it was. We had a right...the right of the victor of a war to do even more than we did at the time!

THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE WAR!

To gain power to make Saddam do what we wanted him to do.

If we didn't get his signature agreeing to the terms of the ceasefire the violence would not have ceased.

That is what we achieved; the ability to force him to do and not do certain things.

It was our business. It was the WORLD'S BUSINESS.

* United States: 575,000 troops
* Flag of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia: 52,000 troops (only 20-40,000 took part in the Liberation of Kuwait & Battle of Khafji)
* Flag of Turkey Turkey: 50,000 troops (did not take part in any battle)
* Flag of United Kingdom United Kingdom: 43,000 troops Operation Granby
* Flag of Egypt Egypt: 35,000 troops
* Flag of Syria Syria: 16,000 troops
* Flag of France France: 14,663 troops Opération Daguet
* Flag of Kuwait Kuwait: 7,000 troops
* Flag of Pakistan Pakistan: 5,500 troops
* Flag of Canada Canada: 4,500 troops Operation FRICTION
* Flag of Spain Spain: 3,000 troops
* Flag of United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates: 2,000 troops
* Flag of Morocco Morocco: 2,000 troops
* Flag of Bangladesh Bangladesh: 2,000 troops
* Flag of QatarQatar: (about 1000 troops took part in the Battle of Khafji beside Saudi Army)[3]
* Flag of Oman Oman: 950 troops
* Flag of Italy Italy: 800 troops, 8 Panavia Tornado attack aircraft
* Flag of Niger Niger: 500 troops
* Flag of Bahrain Bahrain: 200 troops
* Flag of Senegal Senegal: 200 troops.
* Flag of Czechoslovakia Czechoslovakia: 200 troops
* Flag of Netherlands Netherlands: 200 troops
* Flag of Honduras Honduras: 150 troops
* Flag of Argentina Argentina: Destroyer "Almirante Brown" and a Corvette "Spiro", later Corvette "Rosales" and "Trasport Bahía San Blas". Vessels Identified: 761, Vessels Checked: 273, Escorted: 17. Mission: supervise waters near Kuwait, mostly smugglers and traders
* Flag of Denmark Denmark: A corvette to supervise waters near Kuwait, mostly smugglers and traders
* Flag of Norway Norway: The Nordkapp class OPV KV Andenes to supervise waters near Kuwait, mostly smugglers and traders
* Flag of Poland Poland: Elite Polish unit GROM participated in Operation Simoom
* Flag of Australia Australia: 1800 troops Army, Navy and RAAF, Army and RAAF also particpated in Operation Habitat
* Flag of Bulgaria Bulgaria: allowed use of its airspace to Coalition aircraft.

It was the business of all these nations.
 
Originally posted by bhkad
Uh, yes it was. We had a right...the right of the victor of a war to do even more than we did at the time!

THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE WAR!

To gain power to make Saddam do what we wanted him to do.

If we didn't get his signature agreeing to the terms of the ceasefire the violence would not have ceased.

That is what we achieved; the ability to force him to do and not do certain things.

It was our business. It was the WORLD'S BUSINESS.
Do you not believe that if you join an organization you are obligated to follow the rules of that organization? Rules incidently, that you co-authored. Go read Articles 2 and 6 of the UN Charter and you will see that we had no right to interfere with the internal affairs of another country. Unless it is in concert with UNSC resolutions. What we wanted, was to get Hussein out of Kuwait. We did that. End of threat. And we knew what kind of person Hussein was 20 years ago when we were selling him weapons to fight the Iranians. If we were so concerned about his evilness, why didn't we take him out then?
 
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