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ISIS Supporters in America: The Jihadis Next Door?

Hard to believe that one guy can walk around in Texas......same deal with the Cleric in Michigan and those that want to throw down for him. I agree.....lock them up before somebody kills them in a way ISIS will understand.

From your link RDS. :2wave:



In many ways, they’re just like you. They post selfies on Twitter and Facebook, share memes, hang out with friends. They talk about their favorite TV shows, movies and music. They share news about their families. But they’re also pledging support to the brutal regime seeking to establish an Islamic caliphate across the Middle East.

One American ISIS supporter is a young man from New York City who is now studying at a prominent Jesuit university in the Midwest. (Vocativ has chosen not to reveal the names or specific location details of the ISIS supporters we’ve identified.) The ISIS flag serves as his Facebook profile banner, and he has also posted a picture of a man wearing a balaclava and carrying a sword on his back with the phrase “Under the Shade of the Sword,” a reference to an infamous book about the clash of Christianity and Islam. A favorite quote—”How can you defeat an enemy who looks into the barrel of your gun and sees paradise?”—is attributed to a Russian general speaking of the Chechen mujahideen.

A second ISIS supporter was raised in the Midwest and currently lives in a large Texas city. His page is filled with photos of ISIS flags and banners, propaganda videos and portraits of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, as well as statements of disdain for the U.S. The man describes himself as a married college student majoring in engineering management. He has also posted a number of selfies, often wearing a flowing black djellaba with an ISIS emblem embroidered on the front. In many of these photos, he is seen out on city streets, distributing propaganda for the militant group. He has also posted pictures of the ISIS flag juxtaposed with the American flag to one of his social accounts; one of the photos was taken at a park in a major city in the Midwest.

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Van Basten said:
The NSA watch list is about to get bigger.
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Not only theirs.

The spokesperson says at the very moment we’d called, members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force—which consists of the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security and local law enforcement—were meeting to determine the threat level posed by the student:.....snip~
 
RDS said:
Round them up and put them behind bars before its too late.
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While I am no supporter of ISIS, shall we open the doors to the thought police? That is a dangerous line to cross. If we determine that "thought" is now a crime, the government can choose ANYONE against it as a criminal. I get your point, really I do. But when we label thought as a crime, it sets a deadly precedent. Keep a watch on them and jail them the MINUTE they take actual action for ISIS. My comments are ONLY for U.S. citizens. Those with Visas and the like should be deported IMMEDIATELY for something like this.
 
Although it would be difficult to determine the proper limits, I would support the criminalization of certain forms of propagandizing for a group like ISIS, or at the very least heightened scrutiny by intelligence agencies. Freedom of speech should not be a sacred cow in all circumstances.
 
TheNextEra said:
While I am no supporter of ISIS, shall we open the doors to the thought police? That is a dangerous line to cross. If we determine that "thought" is now a crime, the government can choose ANYONE against it as a criminal. I get your point, really I do. But when we label thought as a crime, it sets a deadly precedent. Keep a watch on them and jail them the MINUTE they take actual action for ISIS. My comments are ONLY for U.S. citizens. Those with Visas and the like should be deported IMMEDIATELY for something like this.
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Your immigration is screwed up. You have 5 million illegals without documents allowed to stay there. If they can't manage this how are they going to tackle terrorists.
 
We don't need to start prosecuting people for thought crimes or for expressing unpopular positions. History has many examples of such initiatives getting out of control and harming all of society. If the USA starts prosecuting thought crimes or expression of unpopular positions we aren't worth defending because we have abandoned the bedrock principals of our nation. Legal immigrants are entitled to the same civil liberties as everyone else (except for voting, holding office etc. for non-citizens).
 
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TheNextEra said:
While I am no supporter of ISIS, shall we open the doors to the thought police? That is a dangerous line to cross. If we determine that "thought" is now a crime, the government can choose ANYONE against it as a criminal. I get your point, really I do. But when we label thought as a crime, it sets a deadly precedent. Keep a watch on them and jail them the MINUTE they take actual action for ISIS. My comments are ONLY for U.S. citizens. Those with Visas and the like should be deported IMMEDIATELY for something like this.
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There is a difference between "thought", and openly (through social media or other forms) to actively show support for enemy organizations.

I do understand your point. But at the same time, by doing such they are literally on the razor's edge of treason. It is one thing to say to a couple friends "I do not like their methods, but I respect the ISIS belief in a religious nation", and posting Facebook pages full of congratulartory messages, declaring solidarity with the movement, and such actions.
 
RDS said:
Your immigration is screwed up. You have 5 million illegals without documents allowed to stay there. If they can't manage this how are they going to tackle terrorists.
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We don't have a big terrorist problem in the US.
 
Oozlefinch said:
There is a difference between "thought", and openly (through social media or other forms) to actively show support for enemy organizations.

I do understand your point. But at the same time, by doing such they are literally on the razor's edge of treason. It is one thing to say to a couple friends "I do not like their methods, but I respect the ISIS belief in a religious nation", and posting Facebook pages full of congratulartory messages, declaring solidarity with the movement, and such actions.
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Facebook is freedom of speech. If we limit freedom of speech to "only popular of the government" we lost freedom overall IMO. ACTION, in the form of plotting, support through financial, etc. should be limited, but not freedom of speech. If we go down that road ANYTHING deemed anti-government can be tried for treason. I agree they are on the edge, but we should not cross that.
 
TheNextEra said:
Facebook is freedom of speech. If we limit freedom of speech to "only popular of the government" we lost freedom overall IMO. ACTION, in the form of plotting, support through financial, etc. should be limited, but not freedom of speech. If we go down that road ANYTHING deemed anti-government can be tried for treason. I agree they are on the edge, but we should not cross that.
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And what if that freedom of speech is killing people?

Look, I am not saying a damned thing about supporting the Government, or only what is approved by the Government. But we are also talking about an organization that we are actively involved in combat against. Which actually means the potential to be the end of my life, and a great many others.

Yea, I get it, it is often populat among "The Left" to speak out against "The Government", and in favor of any organization that is in opposition to "The Government". But this is also a violent organization that has beheaded and executed innocent people, simply for their race, religion, or place of origin.

If some group of people started to openly speak out in support of the KKK and wish it had gone back to it's roots of lynchings and church bombings, would you think that is also just "freedom of speech"? Remember, ISIS is a terrorist organization which has killed thousands of people. I think your obsession here is more political then realistic.
 
RDS said:
Your immigration is screwed up. You have 5 million illegals without documents allowed to stay there. If they can't manage this how are they going to tackle terrorists.
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We already tackle terrorists just fine, well, mostly. And terrorists are a much bigger issue than random illegals doing farm work, there's more....urgency for this. Your comment is silly at best.
 
Oozlefinch said:
And what if that freedom of speech is killing people?
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SAYING you are supporting something does not kill people. We have people ALL THE TIME in the U.S. supporting KKK and fascism and gangs.

Look, I am not saying a damned thing about supporting the Government, or only what is approved by the Government. But we are also talking about an organization that we are actively involved in combat against. Which actually means the potential to be the end of my life, and a great many others.

Yea, I get it, it is often populat among "The Left" to speak out against "The Government", and in favor of any organization that is in opposition to "The Government". But this is also a violent organization that has beheaded and executed innocent people, simply for their race, religion, or place of origin.
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Strawman as many on the right are more against GOVERNMENT than the left right now.

If some group of people started to openly speak out in support of the KKK and wish it had gone back to it's roots of lynchings and church bombings, would you think that is also just "freedom of speech"? Remember, ISIS is a terrorist organization which has killed thousands of people. I think your obsession here is more political then realistic.
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Yes, even the KKK has freedom of speech like they do now. Now if someone actively finances, aids in the fight, etc, yes, they should be terrorists. But no, we don't need thought police on Facebook.
 
Oozlefinch said:
There is a difference between "thought", and openly (through social media or other forms) to actively show support for enemy organizations.

I do understand your point. But at the same time, by doing such they are literally on the razor's edge of treason. It is one thing to say to a couple friends "I do not like their methods, but I respect the ISIS belief in a religious nation", and posting Facebook pages full of congratulartory messages, declaring solidarity with the movement, and such actions.
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Sorry ... I believe it's called their First Amendment rights.
 
TheNextEra said:
Strawman as many on the right are more against GOVERNMENT than the left right now.
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And blatent political bias, stemming solely upon your own personal beliefs.

And you are the one that keeps bringing up "thought police". I did not say anything about that.

How about grounding your feet inreality, instead of flying off the handle and imposing things I did not say.

And once again, would you be in such support if the individual was endorsing that the KKK return to lynchings and bombings? Funny how you completely dodged that.

And yes, the spectator who cheers on a group or individual can be just as guilty as the person who does the deed. Or are people who shout at a person on a ledge to "jump" innocent of their actions? Yes, they did not push him off the ledge, they did not even tell him to get on the ledge in the first place. But they endorse his action and actively encourage it. There is a large difference between thinking something, and publically espousing support of it.

As has been repeated before, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". To use an old saw, I am only exercising my Right to Free Speech when I yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre. I do not hurt anybody, it is their own actions that may cause harm. My shouting "fire" in and of itself did nothing against anybody.
 
imagep said:
We don't have a big terrorist problem in the US.
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Van Basten said:
We already tackle terrorists just fine, well, mostly. And terrorists are a much bigger issue than random illegals doing farm work, there's more....urgency for this. Your comment is silly at best.
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How was a terrorist with a gun and three convictions for assault and battery allowed on a elevator with President Obama during a Sept. 16 trip to Atlanta?
Armed contractor with criminal record was on elevator with Obama in Atlanta - The Washington Post
 
Oozlefinch said:
And blatent political bias, stemming solely upon your own personal beliefs.
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Are you suggesting the right HASN'T been against this administration? Sorry but what I said is true.

And you are the one that keeps bringing up "thought police". I did not say anything about that.
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If you are wanting to jail people for Facebook posts, yes that is the thought police.

How about grounding your feet inreality, instead of flying off the handle and imposing things I did not say.
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Again, if you are wanting to jail people for their posts, yes you are saying those things.

And once again, would you be in such support if the individual was endorsing that the KKK return to lynchings and bombings? Funny how you completely dodged that.
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I dodged NOTHING and answered your question. Perhaps you should actually READ what I quoted. I even said:

Yes, even the KKK has freedom of speech like they do now. Now if someone actively finances, aids in the fight, etc, yes, they should be terrorists. But no, we don't need thought police on Facebook.
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Yes, the KKK has freedom of speech rights as well.

And yes, the spectator who cheers on a group or individual can be just as guilty as the person who does the deed.
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Sorry, but no that is not how it works. If you want the thought polioce, be careful what you wish for. The next time you find yourself against government action YOU could be the next terrorist they jail. When you have a governemnt deciding you should be jailed for your thoughts or speech, freedom is lost. Maybe that is something you really support.

As has been repeated before, "The Constitution is not a suicide pact". To use an old saw, I am only exercising my Right to Free Speech when I yell "Fire" in a crowded theatre. I do not hurt anybody, it is their own actions that may cause harm. My shouting "fire" in and of itself did nothing against anybody.
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Facebook is not yelling "fire". It's clear people like you want to destroy freedom in the so called name for "protection". There is a quote somewhere on that, perhaps you should read it.
 
The Michigan Cleric.....Or alleged Cleric that is. People like this do need to be shut down.....now whether that comes from the Government or from those that live around him. Doesn't really matter......what does matter is making sure he isn't getting into other people heads.

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Ahmad Musa Jibril.....

The Fanatical Imam

One name our analysts keep encountering is that of Ahmad Musa Jibril. Well-known in law enforcement circles, Jibril is a 43-year-old imam based in Dearborn, Michigan. A decade ago, he was kicked out of a mosque for urging his followers to kill non-Muslims. He later spent six years in federal prison for crimes including money laundering, tax evasion and trying to bribe a juror. He was released in 2012. What sets Jibril apart from other radical clerics is his sizable social following. He has racked up over 220,000 likes on his Facebook profile and more than 26,000 followers on Twitter, where he communicates with some of them (and their families) one-on-one. On YouTube, Jibril’s sermons average several thousand views each.

Jibril has been whipping up support for extreme Sunni Islam for years from his Michigan base—and according to eyewitnesses, his approach at times has been highly confrontational, even violent. Another student at the university stood up to Jibril—and paid dearly for it. “Three people attacked me,” the second former student tells Vocativ. He says they punched and kicked him while he was helpless on the ground, sending him to the hospital with cracked ribs and a broken arm. The researchers note that Jibril has an unusual approach. They say he “does not openly incite his followers to violence nor does he explicitly encourage them to join the Syrian jihad. Instead, he adopts the role of cheerleader: supporting the principles of armed opposition to [Syrian President] Assad, often in highly emotive terms, while employing extremely charged religious or sectarian idioms.” Jibril sends messages of condolences to jihadi fighters who died in battle and chats with young would-be extremists on platforms like Ask.fm, where his sermons are revered, and direct contact is coveted. Jibril is also actively engaged with his followers on Twitter, according to the researchers, even direct messaging those who have traveled from the West to fight in Syria. In one tweet, Jibril pledges his unconditional love to radical jihadis fighting in far-away places.....snip~

https://www.vocativ.com/usa/nat-sec/isis-america-jihadi-next-door/?page=all
 
TheNextEra said:
If you are wanting to jail people for Facebook posts, yes that is the thought police.
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I did not say that, did I?

Thank you for unbiased political attacks, and having no interest in discussion but only in twisting things you do not like.

This is not discarded. Have a good day.
 
Oozlefinch said:
I did not say that, did I?
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Yes you did right here:

There is a difference between "thought", and openly (through social media or other forms) to actively show support for enemy organizations.
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Facebook counts as social media.
 
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