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Duke · Mar 14, 2007

BodiSatva said:
and any normal intelligent person is just sitting back saying... "DAMN! That sucka' is bringin some weak sauce shiat"

DAMN, BodiSatva, ya read my fuggin' mind! :mrgreen:

Seriously, bub, sit down and get a grip.

Duke

cherokee · Mar 14, 2007

bub said:
It is so weakened today that I doubt they could commit an organized attack again. It's leaders are hidden somewhere in Afghanistan or Pakistan and I think they are more busy trying to survive than planning a new 9/11.

I am just floored over that statement. AQ has cells and people who share in their ideology all over the world. While its “store front” was in Afghan and it has been knocked down it doesn’t mean anything.

I really don’t understand how someone could claim that. I mean I read it all the time on the Islamic sites including how A-Q and BL were really made up by the CIA or how they were killed in the late 1990’s then used as scapegoats for 9/11.

bub said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/18864-rational-explanation-terrorism.html

No thoughts of your own?

bub said:
Ask them

I have and I get the same run around from I get from you.
Either they are. Afraid of them, Agree with them or don’t believe it’s a problem.
No matter which it is it does nothing but hurt them to remain silent.

bub said:
The ones who don't kill.

Is that the ones who don’t cheer inside?

bub said:
Both Christianism and Islamism tend to spread. We spread our influence to the whole America (North and south), Africa, Oceania and Japan. That's normal that Islam does the same.

So you don’t have the number for today just the 1914?

bub said:
Not because I said it, but because I gave you examples showing you could be wrong.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/18864-rational-explanation-terrorism.html

No you didn’t you posted a link from a guy who believes he can compare them to another group. Big frigging deal… does that explain who or what the Islamic movement is, does it explain what they believe in, does it explain why people from all classes join such an apocalyptic religion? Does it explain how a mother can be so proud he son is a suicide bomber? No it doesn’t.

Doesn’t the Anarchist believe in no state or government laws?
And where Islam is concerned all laws should be derived from the Koran, enforced under an Islamic state?

bub said:
...with the meaning the are much too weak to commit any big-scale terror attack.

Yeah…. that’s what they thought on 9/10.

bub said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/18864-rational-explanation-terrorism.html
Like this: http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/18864-rational-explanation-terrorism.html

Again… No thoughts of your own?

bub · Mar 15, 2007

really don’t understand how someone could claim that. I mean I read it all the time on the Islamic sites including how A-Q and BL were really made up by the CIA or how they were killed in the late 1990’s then used as scapegoats for 9/11.

Yeah OK I should not have said that like this. Yet, I still think AQ is too desorganized now to commit another big scale attack, that's what I meant.

No thoughts of your own?

:roll: when I say something "on my own" you say it's worthless BS and ask for sources, and when I give you a link you answer "no thoughts of your own"...:damn

Is that the ones who don’t cheer inside?

You may post 100 or 200 pictures of stupid extremists, those are a minority and you won't change the fact that the huge majority are not more violent than...errr no, you are a bad example...let's say not more violent than me.

In Bruxelles, where I live now, there are around 30% of muslims. The shopkeeper just under my student room is Pakistani. The guy who owns the Pizzeria in front of my student room is Morrocan. I've got a friend from Turkey and another one from Albania. I see dozens of women wearing veils every day, and even more young arabs going to the school close to my university. In the auditorium in front of me there was a girl wih a veil. Sometimes there is even a guy with a beard walking on my street. And curiously, I have never seen any of them saying anything like the stupid dudes on your pictures!

Why? Because your pictures are anecdotism. Because when some fools say stupid things like on your pictures, there are always dozens of journalists around. Because when 91%* of the muslims say they support the women-men equality, FoxNews does not cover it. Because when 94%* of the muslims say they don't make differences between a Muslim, a Christian or a Jew, you don't listen to them. Because when 73%* say they support the state/religion separation you don't care about it. Because when 69%* say they would not mind if their kids got married with a non-muslim you don't pay attention. Because when half* of the muslims say they see no problem about muslim to christian conversion or never go to the mosque, you don't hear it. But when several dozens of morons manifest on the streets, you post a picture of them on this forum. :tocktock2

Sondages CSA : Portrait des Musulmans 23/08/2006

So you don’t have the number for today just the 1914?

No, but what would it change? You would like me to show you "ooh you were right! Look at those bad muslims invading everything! They are colonizing the world!" The answer is no. There are more christians than Muslims in the world. If you also take in account "Occidentalized" countries such as Japan and south Korea, yes, we are dominating the world. That's the very reason why some moronic extremists took the USA as scapegoat.

Big frigging deal… does that explain who or what the Islamic movement is, does it explain what they believe in, does it explain why people from all classes join such an apocalyptic religion?

This is the summary of his book, but yes, it does. If you learnt French, I could send you the book.

Doesn’t the Anarchist believe in no state or government laws?
And where Islam is concerned all laws should be derived from the Koran, enforced under an Islamic state?

If you had read the article, you'd have seen that the aim is not to compare anarchism and islamism but anarchist TERRORISM and islamist TERRORISM, which have many common points.

hypgnostic · Mar 17, 2007

SgtRock said:
Bub do you support Islamic Terrorism? Yes or No

Do you support Corporate Sponsored Terrorism? Yes or No?

hypgnostic · Mar 17, 2007

Johnny_Utah said:
Do you support Terrorism as a viable option for change, bub? Yes or No?

Just answer the question please. :2razz:

The US very obviously does. Why else would the US have sponsored genocides around the world killing as many as EIGHT MILLION since WWII??

hypgnostic · Mar 17, 2007

cherokee said:
I am just floored over that statement. AQ has cells and people who share in their ideology all over the world. While its “store front” was in Afghan and it has been knocked down it doesn’t mean anything.

I really don’t understand how someone could claim that. I mean I read it all the time on the Islamic sites including how A-Q and BL were really made up by the CIA or how they were killed in the late 1990’s then used as scapegoats for 9/11.

No thoughts of your own?

I have and I get the same run around from I get from you.
Either they are. Afraid of them, Agree with them or don’t believe it’s a problem.
No matter which it is it does nothing but hurt them to remain silent.

Is that the ones who don’t cheer inside?

So you don’t have the number for today just the 1914?

No you didn’t you posted a link from a guy who believes he can compare them to another group. Big frigging deal… does that explain who or what the Islamic movement is, does it explain what they believe in, does it explain why people from all classes join such an apocalyptic religion? Does it explain how a mother can be so proud he son is a suicide bomber? No it doesn’t.

Doesn’t the Anarchist believe in no state or government laws?
And where Islam is concerned all laws should be derived from the Koran, enforced under an Islamic state?

Yeah…. that’s what they thought on 9/10.

Again… No thoughts of your own?

I think you're a great example of the kind of American that actually BUYS the hysteria that the media and the Bush admin feeds hook, line and sinker. You've been so completely TERRORIZED by the media into believing that these 'al quaeda' boogeymen are around every corner that you are reduced to a paranoid fool. The thing that is so hypocritical about your position though, is that the governments in the middle east that are so tyrannical are all theocratic and the Bush administration represents the most theocratic and totalitarian regime in the US in a very long time, yet you guys will excuse the radical religious elements in the GOP!! That, my friend is the very definition of hypocrisy.

And that is the point you keep missing as you continue to push all the blame upon Islam. Of course there are Islamic terrorists, but not even CLOSE to the hype that the corporate media has built, and just like in Christianity, there are good and bad elements to any religion, it's the RADICAL element that we must fight against -- including those elements in our own culture. Why aren't you out protesting against the radical Christian groups in the US who've used violence? How about the paramilitary groups that our own government is keeping a watch on? How about the hundreds of radical white supremacist and their cousin militia groups? They are the EXACT same mindset as their Islamic brothers. And they are a HELL of a lot more of a threat than an enemy that is halfway around the world.

bub · Mar 17, 2007

hypgnostic said:
The US very obviously does. Why else would the US have sponsored genocides around the world killing as many as EIGHT MILLION since WWII??

I heard this a lot of times (and neocons always answered agressively and rudely it was just a load of BS) but have you sources?

cherokee · Mar 18, 2007

bub said:
Yeah OK I should not have said that like this. Yet, I still think AQ is too desorganized now to commit another big scale attack, that's what I meant.

Think whatever you like….But know that thinking like that gets people killed.

bub said:
:roll: when I say something "on my own" you say it's worthless BS and ask for sources, and when I give you a link you answer "no thoughts of your own"...:damn

whatever….would you like some cheese with your whine?

bub said:
You may post 100 or 200 pictures of stupid extremists, those are a minority and you won't change the fact that the huge majority are not more violent than...errr no, you are a bad example...let's say not more violent than me.

Then I want to see the majority standing against the minority! How many fooking times do I have to say that?

bub said:
In Bruxelles, where I live now, there are around 30% of muslims. The shopkeeper just under my student room is Pakistani. The guy who owns the Pizzeria in front of my student room is Morrocan. I've got a friend from Turkey and another one from Albania. I see dozens of women wearing veils every day, and even more young arabs going to the school close to my university. In the auditorium in front of me there was a girl wih a veil. Sometimes there is even a guy with a beard walking on my street. And curiously, I have never seen any of them saying anything like the stupid dudes on your pictures!

That’s nice…Hold up a poster with a cartoon Mohammad and see if they remain nice.

bub said:
Why? Because your pictures are anecdotism. Because when some fools say stupid things like on your pictures, there are always dozens of journalists around. Because when 91%* of the muslims say they support the women-men equality, FoxNews does not cover it. Because when 94%* of the muslims say they don't make differences between a Muslim, a Christian or a Jew, you don't listen to them. Because when 73%* say they support the state/religion separation you don't care about it. Because when 69%* say they would not mind if their kids got married with a non-muslim you don't pay attention. Because when half* of the muslims say they see no problem about muslim to christian conversion or never go to the mosque, you don't hear it. But when several dozens of morons manifest on the streets, you post a picture of them on this forum. :tocktock2

Sondages CSA : Portrait des Musulmans 23/08/2006

Would you call Ibrahim Hooper (CAIR) a stupid fool?

Preaching violence - The Washington Times: Editorials/OP-ED
American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), Ibrahim Hooper, said that in 20 years worth of trips to mosques, "I've never heard violence preached; I've never heard anti-Semitism or anti-Americanism preached."
When asked in a subsequent phone interview with this columnist if his statement also holds true for any Muslim events, conferences and rallies he has attended, Mr. Hooper said it did and added, "In fact, if I had heard that I would have called them on the carpet and asked them why they're saying such hate-filled, divisive things." (In a follow-up conversation, Mr. Hooper said he did "not include rallies.")
Mr. Hooper's claims, however, are somewhere between disingenuous and just plain dishonest.
At a now-infamous Washington rally on Oct. 28, 2000, then-president of the American Muslim Federation Abdurahman Alamoudi shouted to a cheering crowd, "We are all supporters of Hamas." In the second phone interview, Mr. Hooper acknowledged being there but claims he did not hear Mr. Alamoudi.
In the media frenzy that followed, though, neither CAIR nor Mr. Hooper publicly criticized Mr. Alamoudi's avowed support of the terrorist organization.
Less than a year later, Mr. Hooper joined roughly a dozen leaders of various Muslim groups in staging a "sit in" in front of the State Department in June 2001. During the event, American Muslim Council Director Ali Ramadan Abu Zakouk "preached violence" by labeling the mass murder of innocent civilians in suicide bombing attacks as a "God-given right."
"The question of resistance to occupation is a God-given right. And the occupied people can use any means possible for them. They have no limitation," Mr. Zakouk explained. Mr. Hooper was listed as the contact person for the press release sent out in advance of the "sit in," though he first claimed he "did not remember" and later that he "did not hear" Mr. Zakouk's defense of suicide bombings.
Videotape footage of the event (provided by the Investigative Project), however, clearly shows Mr. Hooper standing barely a few feet behind Mr. Zakouk as the comments were made.

Council on American-Islamic Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia has received criticism from a number of both governmental and non-governmental sources, for actions it has taken and people and organizations it has been involved with.
The greatest source of criticism has involved CAIR's alleged ties to terrorism and terrorist groups. As of 2006, at least four former CAIR officials have been charged with terrorism-related offenses. Critics claim CAIR is a spin-off of the Islamic Association for Palestine, which is alleged to be a “front group” for Hamas.[8]
Critics have also taken aim at CAIR's fundraising and sources of funds. Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR's website solicited donations for what it called the "NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund."[9] However, clicking on the donation link led to a website for donations to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF). It was later designated as a terrorist organization by the European Union and U.S., and shut down by the U.S. government.
CAIR has also been accused of doctoring photographs and reporting fraudulent statistics about the Muslim population of the United States in support of its own private agenda. Finally, another source of criticism is that CAIR attempts to suppress criticism of Islamic terrorism and intolerance through accusations of racism and anti-Muslim bias.
Investor's Business Daily publicly condemned CAIR as being "the PR machine of militant Islam" after CAIR "dispatched its henchmen" to try to shut down the first Secular Islam Summit. [9]
Among the numerous books donated to libraries in CAIR's "library project" was former congressman Paul Findley's 'Silent No More', which includes positive statements about convicted terrorist Abdul Rahman al-Amoudi.[10]
CAIR demands removal of billboard stereotyping Muslims
Los Angeles (10/28/98) - CAIR is calling on Los Angeles-based KCOP Television, Inc., channel 13, to remove billboards deemed offensive to Muslims. The billboards, reportedly seen in Los Angeles, Orange County, San Gabriel, and other cities, feature a picture of Usama Bin Laden with the headline "the sworn enemy."
CAIR demands removal of billboard stereotyping Muslims

Aggressive ambitions. As reported by the San Ramon Valley Herald, CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."
CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of terror - article by Daniel Pipes

Islamic Movement leaders paraded down Nazareth's main thoroughfare brandishing their party's green flag. Young Muslim men in battle gear marched and beat drums as a man on loudspeaker repeatedly exclaimed in Arabic, "Allah is great."
Hundreds of activists strutted screaming Islamist epithets, including
"Islam is the only truth" and "Islam shall rule all." WorldNetDaily: Muslims shout at Jesus' home: 'Islam will dominate the world'

bub said:
No, but what would it change? You would like me to show you "ooh you were right! Look at those bad muslims invading everything! They are colonizing the world!" The answer is no. There are more christians than Muslims in the world. If you also take in account "Occidentalized" countries such as Japan and south Korea, yes, we are dominating the world. That's the very reason why some moronic extremists took the USA as scapegoat.

Re-read the above reply….

bub said:
This is the summary of his book, but yes, it does. If you learnt French, I could send you the book.
If you had read the article, you'd have seen that the aim is not to compare anarchism and islamism but anarchist TERRORISM and islamist TERRORISM, which have many common points.

Oh so you mean its just the violence that’s the same?….

Tell me does the anarchist believe in rewards for killing himself while killing others?

cherokee · Mar 18, 2007

hypgnostic said:
The US very obviously does. Why else would the US have sponsored genocides around the world killing as many as EIGHT MILLION since WWII??

I ask that you name the genocides if you can since WWII.

BodiSatva · Mar 18, 2007

Originally Posted by hypgnostic
The US very obviously does. Why else would the US have sponsored genocides around the world killing as many as EIGHT MILLION since WWII??

WHAT THE F.U.C.K!?

1. Define "Sponsored" please...
2. Proof Please...

This will be extremely interesting!

hypgnostic · Mar 19, 2007

cherokee said:
I ask that you name the genocides if you can since WWII.

How quickly can you forget that Bush's own GRANDFATHER had the 'Trading with the Enemy Act' named after him for backing the Nazi's. Then Bush Sr. used the CIA to seduce, arm and train terrorists like Noriega, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussien, & Bin Laden, sucking up to them as long as they did OUR dirty work. This isn't new news, becasue we've had a rich history of state-sponsored and corporate sponsorted terrorism designed to crush the interests of the common man and the worker, in order to drive PROFITS UP for the wealthy.

That is why from Peru, to Haiti and Nicaragua to Afghanistan, there has been unrest at the hands of AMERICAN interest, though we often hear of it as 'local' skirmishes because the media is controlled in many cases by the corporate interests as well. That's why I laugh when I hear people talk about how 'evil' 'Radical Islam' is, because if you want EVIL and if you want TERRORISM, look no further than 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue!

hypgnostic · Mar 19, 2007

BodiSatva said:
WHAT THE F.U.C.K!?

1. Define "Sponsored" please...
2. Proof Please...

This will be extremely interesting!

SPONSOR –noun
1. a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing.
2. a person, firm, organization, etc., that finances and buys the time to broadcast a radio or television program so as to advertise a product, a political party, etc.
3. a person who makes a pledge or promise on behalf of another.
4. a person who answers for an infant at baptism, making the required professions and assuming responsibility for the child's religious upbringing; godfather or godmother.
–verb (used with object)

cherokee · Mar 19, 2007

hypgnostic said:
I think you're a great example of the kind of American that actually BUYS the hysteria that the media and the Bush admin feeds hook, line and sinker.

I get my news from all over the world little lady. I do not rely on just US news sites.
Maybe you should do the same.

hypgnostic said:
You've been so completely TERRORIZED by the media into believing that these 'al quaeda' boogeymen are around every corner that you are reduced to a paranoid fool.

Because I wont live with my head stuck in the sand you call me a “paranoid fool”
You keep telling yourself Islamic militant groups don’t exist, make sure you tell the families of the victims worldwide.

hypgnostic said:
The thing that is so hypocritical about your position though, is that the governments in the middle east that are so tyrannical are all theocratic and the Bush administration represents the most theocratic and totalitarian regime in the US in a very long time, yet you guys will excuse the radical religious elements in the GOP!! That, my friend is the very definition of hypocrisy.

Show me where I have supported bush, the GOP or any actions by the Christian church. I fooking dare you to.

hypgnostic said:
And that is the point you keep missing as you continue to push all the blame upon Islam. Of course there are Islamic terrorists, but not even CLOSE to the hype that the corporate media has built, and just like in Christianity, there are good and bad elements to any religion, it's the RADICAL element that we must fight against -- including those elements in our own culture.

Oh I’m sorry so all these groups are just misunderstood?
You really need to get a clue….
Abu Sayyaf (1991-present; Islamist separatists; the Philippines)
Based in the southern islands of Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao.
Branched off of the Moro National Liberation Front.
Allegedly partnered with Jemaah Islamiyah and Al-Qaeda.
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)
Adolat - Uzbekistan
Akramiya - Uzbekistan
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Late 1970s-present; Islamists; Egypt)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Egypt. Usually targets secular establishments, government buildings, police, the military, minorities, tourists, and “morally offensive” buildings.
Armed Islamic Group (1992-present; Islamists; Algeria)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Algeria. Began operations in 1992 after the Algerian government ignored election results that gave victory to Islamist political parties.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Ansar al-Islam (December 2001-present; Islamists; Iraq)
In Arabic, "Supporters of Islam."
Also known as "Partisans of Islam or Helpers of Islam."
Al-Qaeda (1988-present; Islamists; Afghanistan, Pakistan, and worldwide)
In Arabic, "the foundation", "the base", or "the database" kept by intelligence services of anti-Soviet Afghani fighters.
Also known as Qa‘idat al-Jihad, Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, Islamic Salvation Foundation, and the Osama bin Laden Network.
Related: Alneda (former web site), As-Sahab (affiliated public relations organization),
Cells: Buffalo six, Hamburg cell,
Asbat al-Ansar (early 1990s-present; Lebanese Sunni Islamists; southern Lebanon)
In Arabic, "the League of the Followers."
Acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.
Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad/Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Sunni network, operating in Iraq
on U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement - al-Qaeda linked separatist group in China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region aiming to establish an Islamic state. Banned by China, along with related groups East Turkestan Liberation Organization, World Uighur Youth Congress and East Turkistan Information Center[3]
Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt (active since the late 1970s)
Hamas - West Bank, Gaza Strip. Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, and the United States
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hizb-an-nusra - Uzbekistan
Hizb ut-Tahrir - international (legal in Britain and Australia)
Hezbollah - Lebanon; Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, and the United States
Hizbul Mujahideen - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hofstad Network - Netherlands
Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain - Defunct
Islamic Movement of Central Asia - Central Asia (affiliated with Al Qaeda)
Islamic Movement of Tajikistan - Tajikistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan - Uzbekistan
Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami
Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
Jihad Rite - Australia (linked with Al Qaeda. Founded in 2001)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
Maktab al-Khadamat - Afghanistan - Defunct
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
Students Islamic Movement of India - India
Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat- e-Mohammadi (TNSM) - Pakistan [4]
Turkish Hezbollah - Kurdish organization operating in Turkey
Turkish Islamic Jihad - Turkey

List of terrorist organisations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey! Look Christian groups…WOW! LOOK at all of them…WOW!....:roll:

Army of God [2]
God's Army A terrorist group in Myanmar.
Nagaland Rebels (1947-present) Active in predominantly Christian state in Hindu majority India. Involved in several bombings in 2004. Goal: Independence from India after annexing parts of neighboring Indian states and Burma if it has Christian majority.
National Liberation Front of Tripura (1989-present) A group that seeks the independence of Tripura from India to create a Christian Tripura.
KKK is a fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, and nativism.
Phineas Priesthood An American based Christian Identity movement.
National Democratic Front of Bodoland, active terrorist in the Indian state of Assam, involved in the murder of Bineshwar Brahma, prominent Hindu Bodo activist

hypgnostic said:
Why aren't you out protesting against the radical Christian groups in the US who've used violence? How about the paramilitary groups that our own government is keeping a watch on? How about the hundreds of radical white supremacist and their cousin militia groups? They are the EXACT same mindset as their Islamic brothers. And they are a HELL of a lot more of a threat than an enemy that is halfway around the world.

Where are these radical Christian groups in the US? When the last time they committed a suicide bombing? When’s the last time they flew planed into buildings? When’s the last time they blew up one of our embassies? Sorry to keep beating you over the head with this but the groups you talk about are a joke! But I’ll tell you what..List all the attacks ANY Christian groups or white supremacists have committed in the past say 20 years?
Lets see how they stack up in the number of attacks, causalities and wounded.

BodiSatva · Mar 19, 2007

Hypgnostic
SPONSOR –noun
1. a person who vouches or is responsible for a person or thing.
2. a person, firm, organization, etc., that finances and buys the time to broadcast a radio or television program so as to advertise a product, a political party, etc.
3. a person who makes a pledge or promise on behalf of another.
4. a person who answers for an infant at baptism, making the required professions and assuming responsibility for the child's religious upbringing; godfather or godmother.
–verb (used with object)

You defined "sponsored" but not in context...
...and you did not provide any proof at all!

hypgnostic · Mar 21, 2007

cherokee said:
I get my news from all over the world little lady. I do not rely on just US news sites.
Maybe you should do the same.

Because I wont live with my head stuck in the sand you call me a “paranoid fool”
You keep telling yourself Islamic militant groups don’t exist, make sure you tell the families of the victims worldwide.

Show me where I have supported bush, the GOP or any actions by the Christian church. I fooking dare you to.

Oh I’m sorry so all these groups are just misunderstood?
You really need to get a clue….
Abu Sayyaf (1991-present; Islamist separatists; the Philippines)
Based in the southern islands of Jolo, Basilan, and Mindanao.
Branched off of the Moro National Liberation Front.
Allegedly partnered with Jemaah Islamiyah and Al-Qaeda.
Aden-Abyan Islamic Army (Yemen)
Adolat - Uzbekistan
Akramiya - Uzbekistan
Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya (Late 1970s-present; Islamists; Egypt)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Egypt. Usually targets secular establishments, government buildings, police, the military, minorities, tourists, and “morally offensive” buildings.
Armed Islamic Group (1992-present; Islamists; Algeria)
Seeks to establish Islamist state in Algeria. Began operations in 1992 after the Algerian government ignored election results that gave victory to Islamist political parties.
Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
Ansar al-Islam (December 2001-present; Islamists; Iraq)
In Arabic, "Supporters of Islam."
Also known as "Partisans of Islam or Helpers of Islam."
Al-Qaeda (1988-present; Islamists; Afghanistan, Pakistan, and worldwide)
In Arabic, "the foundation", "the base", or "the database" kept by intelligence services of anti-Soviet Afghani fighters.
Also known as Qa‘idat al-Jihad, Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, Islamic Salvation Foundation, and the Osama bin Laden Network.
Related: Alneda (former web site), As-Sahab (affiliated public relations organization),
Cells: Buffalo six, Hamburg cell,
Asbat al-Ansar (early 1990s-present; Lebanese Sunni Islamists; southern Lebanon)
In Arabic, "the League of the Followers."
Acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.
Jama'at al-Tawhid wa'al-Jihad/Al-Qaeda in Iraq - Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's Sunni network, operating in Iraq
on U.S. State Department list of Foreign Terrorist Organizations
Eastern Turkestan Islamic Movement - al-Qaeda linked separatist group in China's Xinjiang Autonomous Region aiming to establish an Islamic state. Banned by China, along with related groups East Turkestan Liberation Organization, World Uighur Youth Congress and East Turkistan Information Center[3]
Egyptian Islamic Jihad - Egypt (active since the late 1970s)
Hamas - West Bank, Gaza Strip. Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, and the United States
Harakat ul-Mujahidin (HUM) - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hizb-an-nusra - Uzbekistan
Hizb ut-Tahrir - international (legal in Britain and Australia)
Hezbollah - Lebanon; Listed as a terrorist organization by Australia, Canada, the Netherlands, Israel, and the United States
Hizbul Mujahideen - Pakistan and Kashmir
Hofstad Network - Netherlands
Islamic Front for the Liberation of Bahrain - Defunct
Islamic Movement of Central Asia - Central Asia (affiliated with Al Qaeda)
Islamic Movement of Tajikistan - Tajikistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan - Uzbekistan
Jaish-e-Mohammed - Pakistan
Jaish Ansar al-Sunna - Iraq
Jama'at al-Jihad al-Islami
Jemaah Islamiyah - Southeast Asia
Jihad Rite - Australia (linked with Al Qaeda. Founded in 2001)
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi - Pakistan
Lashkar-e-Toiba - Pakistan
Maktab al-Khadamat - Afghanistan - Defunct
Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group - Morocco and Spain
Moro Islamic Liberation Front - (Islamic separatists; the Philippines)
Palestinian Islamic Jihad - Israel, West Bank, Gaza Strip
People Against Gangsterism and Drugs - South Africa
Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat - Algeria
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan - Pakistan
Students Islamic Movement of India - India
Takfir wal-Hijra - Egypt/Sudan/Algeria
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat- e-Mohammadi (TNSM) - Pakistan [4]
Turkish Hezbollah - Kurdish organization operating in Turkey
Turkish Islamic Jihad - Turkey

List of terrorist organisations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey! Look Christian groups…WOW! LOOK at all of them…WOW!....:roll:

Army of God [2]
God's Army A terrorist group in Myanmar.
Nagaland Rebels (1947-present) Active in predominantly Christian state in Hindu majority India. Involved in several bombings in 2004. Goal: Independence from India after annexing parts of neighboring Indian states and Burma if it has Christian majority.
National Liberation Front of Tripura (1989-present) A group that seeks the independence of Tripura from India to create a Christian Tripura.
KKK is a fraternal organizations in the United States that have advocated white supremacy, anti-Semitism, racism, anti-Catholicism, homophobia, and nativism.
Phineas Priesthood An American based Christian Identity movement.
National Democratic Front of Bodoland, active terrorist in the Indian state of Assam, involved in the murder of Bineshwar Brahma, prominent Hindu Bodo activist

Where are these radical Christian groups in the US? When the last time they committed a suicide bombing? When’s the last time they flew planed into buildings? When’s the last time they blew up one of our embassies? Sorry to keep beating you over the head with this but the groups you talk about are a joke! But I’ll tell you what..List all the attacks ANY Christian groups or white supremacists have committed in the past say 20 years?
Lets see how they stack up in the number of attacks, causalities and wounded.

Thanks to the Liberal movement and the womens and civil rights movements in the US, the Christian terrorist movement has gone underground with it's acts of violence for the most part. They do have their occasional Tim McVeighs who blow up Federal Buildings (in the same scale as 9/11) with children inside as 'payback' for removing dangerous insane Chrsitians from power. Not to mention the Jonestown massacre that left hundreds dead including MANY children -- those were AMERICAN Christian groups, and I am FAR MORE WORRIED about those groups in America than I am about Muslim groups. So far we've had 9/11 and a couple previous on the Trade center at the hands of Islamic fundies, I'd say we're about 50/50 as far as who should receive all the focus.

The reason you choose to blame Islam is becasue it is such an EASY target to see, they are so visible and so it feeds the reptilian-response for an 'eye for an eye' type justification for more violence. The answer to terrorism is not MORE terrorism. You can't stop violence with MORE VIOLENCE! Why is that so hard for so many people to understand??

Flea · Mar 21, 2007

Do you support Terrorism as a viable option for change, bub? Yes or No?

Just answer the question please. :lol:

Flea · Mar 21, 2007

Hypgnostic, can you provide some proof to back up your claims as well as providing a little context this time? Thanks! :2razz:

hypgnostic · Mar 28, 2007

Johnny_Utah said:
Do you support Terrorism as a viable option for change, bub? Yes or No?

Just answer the question please. :lol:

The Bush administration obviously sees corporate sponsored terrorism as a viable option, however, being somewhat of a pacifist, I would have to disagree with such an apocalyptic vision. The US in the last couple decades especially has remained the ULTIMATE terrorist. Bin Laden & the terrorists who pulled off 9/11 can't even begin to compare to the kind of destruction and violence and blood that corporations spill on a daily basis, as they bankrupt the entire planet.

BodiSatva · Mar 28, 2007

hypgnostic
The Bush administration obviously sees corporate sponsored terrorism as a viable option, however, being somewhat of a pacifist, I would have to disagree with such an apocalyptic vision. The US in the last couple decades especially has remained the ULTIMATE terrorist. Bin Laden & the terrorists who pulled off 9/11 can't even begin to compare to the kind of destruction and violence and blood that corporations spill on a daily basis, as they bankrupt the entire planet.

Oh, so you are able to make a reasonable response!

Whew! I was a tad worried about you there for a sec... :lol:

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