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The layers of Islam

Deuce said:
I'm just confused as to why you think anyone is defending violations of human rights. Grasping at straws here.
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any defense of Sharia law within any western culture has to be a defense of the violation of human rights since Sharia and the Muslim religion (in general) do not view women as equal...that is simply fact
 
American said:
You'll have to take that up with the producer.
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I know, I was responding to the video through the OP, not to anything specific that you said.
 
Jetboogieman said:
*points south of the border

Ooooh that doesn't count because they weren't doing it in the name of Christ... Certainly didn't stop them though.
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You won't get any extra points from these people because you're kissing up here.
 
American said:
You won't get any extra points from these people because you're kissing up here.
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Ever wonder what makes some people tie themselves in knots in order to NOT be critical of Islamic radicals?
Can loyalty to a particular Administration strategy really drive a person to an extreme that they otherwise wouldn't entertain with a different Administration?
 
_Sal said:
it baffles me how anyone can support a belief system that is practically stone age and defend it as their right when it violates human rights

I don't understand why this is even an issue
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There is no end to the number of unintelligent people incapable of original thought is my only explanation.

They know what they are supposed to say, but haven't the foggiest reason why.
 
_Sal said:
any defense of Sharia law within any western culture has to be a defense of the violation of human rights since Sharia and the Muslim religion (in general) do not view women as equal...that is simply fact
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If I can offer an alternate perspective, I would suggest reading nine parts of desire
 
_Sal said:
thank you, this issue is big enough and serious enough that I am more than willing to read it
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My advice, approach the book with no preconceptions and with lots of patience.

The author actually interviewed Muslim women living in the Middle East, including the daughter and widow of the ayatollah khomeini.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
My advice, approach the book with no preconceptions and with lots of patience.

The author actually interviewed Muslim women living in the Middle East, including the daughter and widow of the ayatollah khomeini.
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I can do that...thanks I have already gone into my library account and placed a hold on the book. I have heard of the book. I am happy to report there are two people ahead of me which means people are interested...we need to be interested.
 
_Sal said:
I can do that...thanks I have already gone into my library account and placed a hold on the book. I have heard of the book. I am happy to report there are two people ahead of me which means people are interested...we need to be interested.
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I can also recommend two novels by prominent middle eastern authors, naguib Mahfouz and Hanan al-shaykh
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I can also recommend two novels by prominent middle eastern authors, naguib Mahfouz and Hanan al-shaykh
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Thanks and I will add them to the list. But be aware that due to my involvement in the Muslim community I have strong thoughts and feelings on this topic. I am open to a degree but with extreme reservation. My former ideas on this topic have been altered in the extreme. I know first hand what Muslim women suffer under this type of thinking.
 
_Sal said:
any defense of Sharia law within any western culture has to be a defense of the violation of human rights since Sharia and the Muslim religion (in general) do not view women as equal...that is simply fact
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Similarly, any defense of biblical rules has to be a defense of the violation of human rights, right? It's all or nothing. If I defend someone's personal decision to not eat bacon for religious reasons, I must also condone stoning women for adultery. Right? That makes sense!
 
Deuce said:
Similarly, any defense of biblical rules has to be a defense of the violation of human rights, right? It's all or nothing. If I defend someone's personal decision to not eat bacon for religious reasons, I must also condone stoning women for adultery. Right? That makes sense!
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that makes sense to you?

to be honest, I don't even understand what point you are attempting to make

how can defending biblical rules be a defense of the violation of human rights?

how you can equate the defense of someone abstaining from bacon for religious reasons with condoning stoning women for adultery

I think you know zero about Islam or the bible and the Muslim culture and whatever the hell you were defending it's way beyond you

next time before you call me a complete moron think about what you are attempting to defend
 
_Sal said:
that makes sense to you?
to be honest, I don't even understand what point you are attempting to make
how can defending biblical rules be a defense of the violation of human rights?

how you can equate the defense of someone abstaining from Bacon for religious reasons with condoning Stoning women for Adultery
think you know Zero about Islam or the bible and the Muslim culture and whatever the hell you were defending it's way beyond you
next time before you call me a complete moron think about what you are attempting to defend
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I've seen, and been in debate with Deuce, several hundred posts worth.
He's the board's Foremost "All religions are the same" advocate. (Apologist variation 1)
He loses every single time, goes away, and then is back the next day in a new string with same.
Of course, for just one of scores of points/issues, and put simply for at least the dozenth time:

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundmentalist Kills him.
 
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mbig said:
I've seen, and been in debate with Deuce, several hundred posts worth.
He's the board's Foremost "All religions are the same" advocate. (Apologist variation 1)
He loses every single time, goes away, and then is back the next day in a new string with same.
Of course, for just one of scores of points/issues, and put simply for at least the dozenth time:

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundmentalist Kills him.
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gotta say that was one of the more baffling exchanges I have experienced since landing here... :lol:
 
_Sal said:
gotta say that was one of the more baffling exchanges I have experienced since landing here... :lol:
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ie, (and I can show many more)
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ejects-mosque-proposal-45.html#post1064095399
my post ending the debate
mbig said:
3 PEW POLLS
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Now, what would ie, (worst case) 'Fundamental-Christian-Pat-Robertson-land' do to Apostates and Adulterers?
Send them for counseling?
There is NO comparison between the two.
You and many others here post NONSENSICAL PC Garbage/Apologism about Islam despite Regular destructions of your Lies.
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and that's the way it goes, at least monthly.
He gets 100% refuted, and bang.. he'll be back next week with SAME "all religions are same" nonsense.
 
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_Sal said:
gotta say that was one of the more baffling exchanges I have experienced since landing here... :lol:
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But you are wrong here, Sal.

And I am quite prepared to say lots of random things to confirm my utter lack of knowledge on the subject until you admit it!
 
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