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How do you fight ISIS or Terrorism?

The American populace is war weary But the American government, which is one that acts autonomous from te American people, is not.

The American government is addicted to money and power. And war is good for business.

otherwise, we wouldn't have things like the War on Drugs or the War On terror and we wouldn't be in Afghanistan making fifty billion dollars a year off of being over there.

This is one of many reasons why I firmly believe the vote has no meaning and the American people ahve no voice in the government any more.
 
Riveroaks said:
They not only tolerate us they worship us.

Their youth have adopted our ultra Western way of life.

Our God(s) defeated their gods.

That's how it always works.
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So you can buy love, after all. ;)
 
ttwtt78640 said:
So you can buy love, after all. ;)
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No I don't believe you can BUY it.

If you could BUY it then our foreign aid would make sense.

It makes no sense at all.

But you can win it by bombing them into the ground including all their cathedrals and then rebuild them from the ground up.

In Viet Nam we did not rebuild them we just bailed out like the French before us. And they don't love us.

Japan and Germany we rebuilt -- and they both love us.
 
Ancient Herald said:
The American populace is war weary But the American government, which is one that acts autonomous from te American people, is not.

The American government is addicted to money and power. And war is good for business.

otherwise, we wouldn't have things like the War on Drugs or the War On terror and we wouldn't be in Afghanistan making fifty billion dollars a year off of being over there.

This is one of many reasons why I firmly believe the vote has no meaning and the American people ahve no voice in the government any more.
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That 50 billion, is that the opium money, or is that on top of the 50 billion they get from the opium?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Three ways.

Option 1: Full out WAR. Not this pansy ass politically correct avoid all but the enemies casualties crap we have going on today. War is about death and destruction, as much of it as possible until the other side begs for no more. Why do you think terrorists are so effective to begin with? They don't care about this PC war that we're conducting.
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this option is only viable againist unified nations.

terrorist organizations hide in the shadows and operate with no recognition of borders.

you cannot bring total war into the equation unless you are willing to consider everyone in the target area as fair game.
 
Riveroaks said:
I do not see "support for Israel" ever going that far.

Right now support for Israel is as originally intended in 1948 to court the Jewish vote in the USA for either of the major parties.
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True. But allow the rise of the caliphate and we will not have stability, will we? Because they will keep hammering at Israel. If we want long term stability we either support Israel or we abandon them entirely. And then we have another England, another WWII scenario, that's all that is. Maybe we should take a hiatus, let things polarize. And begin building our army.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
this option is only viable againist unified nations.

terrorist organizations hide in the shadows and operate with no recognition of borders.

you cannot bring total war into the equation unless you are willing to consider everyone in the target area as fair game.
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Yep, that is what total war is, and what i'm talking about.
 
All your reasoning is spot on - for 20th century thinking. But if you think that terrorists - who have no country, no factories, no tanks, no artillery, no Navy, no Air Force, ... and are still holding us at bay - are comparable to fascism and the Third Reich ?? ... uh ... then I think you have some serious conceptual errors. Apples and Oranges.

Democrats and Rules of Engagement have crippled our soldiers. "Amphibious assault" doesn't apply much in Afghanistan. Our international allies are willing to chip in about 1% of the needed troops and resources. Nothing more. Our own media calls it torture when we pour water on people's faces.

Huge Propaganda ?? Yeah - footage of the collapsed WTC. Enough said. I agree - let Russia have Syria. Let the Middle East rise up and fight back if they disagree. And Stalin was a madman. He could care less about human life. He shot his own men. Another red herring point.

Reagan didn't put any boots on the ground in a 14 year continued engagement. The Cold War 80's was all mobilization propaganda. Red Herring.

We have the will to wage war. But an ideological War can never be won. EVER. Terrorism is a virus. HIV. Even if you fight it, it will return. You cannot win an ideological war.

And the Nazis were fools to think that they could achieve victory against Stalin. They had skill, intelligence, and audacity. But they were controlled by a madman who ACTUALLY believe world domination was possible. Fundamentally flawed objective.

Sooooo ... yeah ... other than that, your logic is reasonable. Just outdated.
 
You know that's the thing that gets me to no end.

We have this war on drugs.

But in Afghanistan we're making billions off of it.
 
Ancient Herald said:
You know that's the thing that gets me to no end.

We have this war on drugs.

But in Afghanistan we're making billions off of it.
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Ya... On the one hand they make money bringing it in, they make money when you use it, then, if you are caught, they make money off the criminals via private prisons.

No, it's a great "war" if you are on the inside of that deal.
 
You cannot win the hearts and minds of a country by bombing it and killing family members, yet so many americans think otherwise.
 
Ancient Herald said:
You know that's the thing that gets me to no end.

We have this war on drugs.

But in Afghanistan we're making billions off of it.
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You hit the nail on the head, and that's why the government strongly supports the status quo. The CIA has been in the dope business for half a century.
 
Henry David said:
You cannot win the hearts and minds of a country by bombing it and killing family members, yet so many americans think otherwise.
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it's not about winning hearts and minds.

It's all about scaring the hell out of them so they won't attack us anymore.
 
Ancient Herald said:
it's not about winning hearts and minds.

It's all about scaring the hell out of them so they won't attack us anymore.
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Gosh, it's so simple when you think about it that way. And especially simple if one does not understand that the predicate for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the attacks at WTC, was a false flag operation and staged events.

Does this mean that when Dubya told us we were saving the Iraqis from Saddam, that we were bringing democracy to Iraq, he was making it all up?
 
Henry David said:
Gosh, it's so simple when you think about it that way. And especially simple if one does not understand that the predicate for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, the attacks at WTC, was a false flag operation and staged events.

Does this mean that when Dubya told us we were saving the Iraqis from Saddam, that we were bringing democracy to Iraq, he was making it all up?
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Considering what has happened now, I will give some serious consideration that he might have truly been making it up.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

And Democracy is a concept that most Arabians just can't wrap their heads around, so they do reject it.
 
Ancient Herald said:
Considering what has happened now, I will give some serious consideration that he might have truly been making it up.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

And Democracy is a concept that most Arabians just can't wrap their heads around, so they do reject it.
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Having never been there, it seems to me most of those living in the middle east prefer a strong dictator, hoping for a mildly beneficent dictator.
 
CMPancake said:
The method we should use to fight terrorism abroad should be the same method we use to quell terrorism at home. Instead of missiles, drone strikes and insurgency we need to make terrorism the least viable option as a means to improve one's quality of life. Build roads, jobs, and healthcare. People are much less likely to go on a jihad if they have a mortgage to pay off for their new home so their kids can go to school.
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Great post deserves more attention. Especially to the more trigger happy people out there.
 
Nilly said:
Great post deserves more attention. Especially to the more trigger happy people out there.
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A great post that deserves more attention?

Is that because it is based upon a platitude that is completely false?
 
Henry David said:
Having never been there, it seems to me most of those living in the middle east prefer a strong dictator, hoping for a mildly beneficent dictator.
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i sometimes wonder if tyranny isn't the actual default condition of human experience.
 
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