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Colorado survey shows what marijuana legalization will do to your kids

blackjack50 said:
Do you understand the point I'm making? I'm stating that we need to stop with the "it is harmless" mentality. It isn't true. We really should encourage responsible use of any kind of drug, or at the very minimum? Provide the information on what it actually does.
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Why not let the individual, rather than the government, decide whether or not it's harmful?
 
blackjack50 said:
Do you understand the point I'm making? I'm stating that we need to stop with the "it is harmless" mentality. It isn't true. We really should encourage responsible use of any kind of drug, or at the very minimum? Provide the information on what it actually does.
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I am interested in learning what ways this plant is harmful? What kind of information should we be providing?
 
Henrin said:
Democrats didn't support the position until it was politically expedient. Democrats do that kind of **** on everything though, so it's not surprising. We didn't really start hearing liberals talk about legalizing pot until after the party decided to make it a goal of theirs in certain areas of the country. Oh and yes, libertarians were talking about it on the political stage well before liberals ever were. Of course when Libertarians were doing it we were called crazy and potheads by everyone.

It should also be noted that democrats have a long history now of stealing platforms and positions from third parties like the green and libertarian party.
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Even now, how many main stream dem politicians are advocating legalization?
 
And yet, no one has ever overdosed and died from marijuana. Even kids.

Legalize it.

There are a few stories (rumor) about it being rescheduled from 1 to 2 on the first of July or August.

I will believe it when I see it. If it happens, you would be able to get it at any pharmacy.
 
countryboy said:
Even now, how many main stream dem politicians are advocating legalization?
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An AZ congressman just came out today in favor of legalization that is going to be on our ballot in Nov.
 
countryboy said:
Okay, that's one.
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Its a state by state process. There hasn't been any widespread doom in Oregon, Washington or Colorado because of legalization.
 
beefheart said:
Its a state by state process. There hasn't been any widespread doom in Oregon, Washington or Colorado because of legalization.
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Point still stands. Shouldn't dems be leading the vanguard on this issue?

To be fair, repubs won't exactly be endorsing legalization any time soon.
 
countryboy said:
Point still stands. Shouldn't dems be leading the vanguard on this issue?

To be fair, repubs won't exactly be endorsing legalization any time soon.
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Are the Dems he party of personal liberty then?
 
beefheart said:
Its a state by state process. There hasn't been any widespread doom in Oregon, Washington or Colorado because of legalization.
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There have been no issues here in Oregon. No one trying to claim things are worse.

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countryboy said:
Point still stands. Shouldn't dems be leading the vanguard on this issue?

To be fair, repubs won't exactly be endorsing legalization any time soon.
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It's all about "personal liberty" and "freedom from government" when it's things the republicans like. When it's something they don't like it's "we must give the government control over our bodies and lock people in cages who disagree".
 
Keep in mind, when you buy from a regulated legal source, it isn't going to be laced with some other drug. Buy off the street, and it might be. Legalizing weed makes it safer.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's all about "personal liberty" and "freedom from government" when it's things the republicans like. When it's something they don't like it's "we must give the government control over our bodies and lock people in cages who disagree".
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And the dims are different, how?
 
CriticalThought said:
I kind of expected that would be the case and have never opposed legalization, but it doesn't change the reality that weed isn't harmless to kids. 1 in 6 who start smoking as teens will develop a dependency as opposed to 1 in 10 who start smoking as adults and there are certainly cognitive impairments to frequent users, particularly to those already predisposed to mental illness. And of course, controlling for alcohol, the risk of vehicular accidents are double for teens who smoke weed as opposed to those who do not. That being said, I hope the taxes from marijuana are going toward paying the associated public health costs and toward prevention efforts. I am all for the liberty of people choosing to do it of their own accord but I should not have to pay for it and they should be held accountable if they do it irresponsibly in a way that hurts others.
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Nobody said it was harmless. Benign perhaps, but not harmless.

The argument is that prohibition does far more harm to those kids and all of society, than pot does to those kids on an individual basis.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
It's all about "personal liberty" and "freedom from government" when it's things the republicans like. When it's something they don't like it's "we must give the government control over our bodies and lock people in cages who disagree".
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I think Texas is likely to legalize marijuana, to control and tax it like alcohol, in the near future. With no state income tax and the republicant's objection to increasing the state's sales tax the revenue potential of a marijuana tax (windfall?) is likely to be the tipping point, especially if oil and natural gas prices remain depressed.

Texas House Panel Approves Full Legalization Of Marijuana In ‘Unprecedented’ Move « CBS Houston

Marijuana Legalization 2016: Texas Authorizes Cannabis Dispensaries, First One Won’t Open Until 2017
 
countryboy said:
Obviously not.
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Each party favors degrees of "personal liberty" in different situations and on different concepts. Neither the GOP or Democrats can claim to be the sole party of "personal liberty" because of this and because of "personal liberty" is a broad statement and individuals each can have a different definition of "personal liberty".
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Each party favors degrees of "personal liberty" in different situations and on different concepts. Neither the GOP or Democrats can claim to be the sole party of "personal liberty" because of this and because of "personal liberty" is a broad statement and individuals each can have a different definition of "personal liberty".
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Exactly. The real party of personal liberty is the Libertarian Party.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
I think Texas is likely to legalize marijuana, to control and tax it like alcohol, in the near future. With no state income tax and the republicant's objection to increasing the state's sales tax the revenue potential of a marijuana tax (windfall?) is likely to be the tipping point, especially if oil and natural gas prices remain depressed.

Texas House Panel Approves Full Legalization Of Marijuana In ‘Unprecedented’ Move « CBS Houston

Marijuana Legalization 2016: Texas Authorizes Cannabis Dispensaries, First One Won’t Open Until 2017
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Oh my god.... I had no idea we were this close to passing it. I thought my otherwise liberty-loving home state would be one of the last ones to do it. Thanks for sharing this!
 
countryboy said:
And the dims are different, how?
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The democrats think it's OK to execute innocent unborn life, but at the same time are against the death penalty for those who are not innocent.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Each party favors degrees of "personal liberty" in different situations and on different concepts. Neither the GOP or Democrats can claim to be the sole party of "personal liberty" because of this and because of "personal liberty" is a broad statement and individuals each can have a different definition of "personal liberty".
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Seems pretty simple to me.

My rights end when they infringe on other people's rights.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Oh my god.... I had no idea we were this close to passing it. I thought my otherwise liberty-loving home state would be one of the last ones to do it. Thanks for sharing this!
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That's the committee. This simple means it will be presented to the full legislature. It doesn't mean it will pass.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: Colorado survey shows what marijuana legalization will do to your kids

But if we legalize weed all our kids are gonna become lazy pot head hippies! Wait a sec, that prediction isnt materializing? Say it ain't so! [/FONT][/COLOR]
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The prediction has not materialized in Colorado. At least it hasn't yet. But one state's experience might make other states contemplating legalization of pot more cautiously optimistic about the long range effects, but it cannot be considered conclusive until others have also tried it. My primary concern is that legalizing pot and not other recreational drugs will only inspire the dealers to work harder to push the hard stuff. We'll see how it turns out.

This writer from the "Oregonian" summarized the findings and remaining concerns pretty well:
Legalized marijuana: Effect on teens looms large in Oregon campaign | OregonLive.com
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Oh my god.... I had no idea we were this close to passing it. I thought my otherwise liberty-loving home state would be one of the last ones to do it. Thanks for sharing this!
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It seems that many are coming to see it as a great cash cow for its "sin" (hippy?) tax and agricultural (a crop that needs little water) potential - freedom is just an unfortunate side effect to many of them. ;)
 
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