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US Drug policy is the cause of Mexican immigration

I certainly agree with that point--legalization would have little effect on the immigration issue. It may have some effect, but it would likely be insignificant.

Yes, there are few americans today who are NOT impacted by drug use and drug policy. We all have our horror stories to tell about friends and family using drugs.

But the simple truth is that drug use itself is far less harmful than the legal ramifications caused by the criminalization of only certain drugs. LEAP is against prohibition for most valid reasons--it harms society, both users and non-users.

Again, generally, I have no problem with legalization of drugs. The fact there will be more addicts as a result is an absolute certainty. People will die, and innocent people will be killed by those who use them. That is also an absolute certainty.

In the end, it is a persons personal choice. Any move to legalize must include mechanisms to make sure these drugs generate sufficient revenue to pay for the social costs of dealing with them though. That responsibility must be born by those who chose to use them.
 
Perhaps you missed this part of the article you provided a link to:


In the same ABC News article, it was revealed that some federal authorities are concerned that Colorado may have given drug traffickers a safe haven who buy or grow weed within the state and then sell these in other places where the product is banned. The violators come from various locations like Mexico, Cuba and other nearby states. Legalizing marijuana in Colorado may have made it easier for drug traffickers to transport the product to nearby areas, which is a concern.

The Cartels have too much invested, and too much money at stake to simply fold up shop and move on. I don't think we've seen anything close to what is likely going to happen.

Regardless, the same point remains, legalizing drugs is not going to stop illegal aliens from trying to come to the US. That is dope smoking craziness.

Your stereotyping vets with PTSD as dope smoking crazy? Or is that all people who use it as a med? Get some education on the subject ok

The big word in that blurb is MAY, that is a presumption which so far has not been proven to be true. Face it, the cost of prohibition does not justify keeping a drug which is scientifically proven to be LESS harmful than alcohol. I don't touch alcohol, its addictive, and destroys lives physically. But I don't begrudge those that choose to be boozers. I know its tough for the advocates of the War on Drugs to accept, most people do not like to admit when they are wrong. All the nay sayers in CO, so far none of there predictions have come true, crime is down, arrest our down, and the state raked in millions in tax revenue, much of it being used to refurbish and build schools.

Wait until Nov when CA passes its voter initiative, CA is going to have a huge tax windfall, and the feds will have no option but to remove the plant from schedule 1 ending the ridiculous prohibition. All those Republican States who refuse the will of there own voters, they will be drooling over the tax money being raked in.
 
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Perhaps you missed this part of the article you provided a link to:


In the same ABC News article, it was revealed that some federal authorities are concerned that Colorado may have given drug traffickers a safe haven who buy or grow weed within the state and then sell these in other places where the product is banned. The violators come from various locations like Mexico, Cuba and other nearby states. Legalizing marijuana in Colorado may have made it easier for drug traffickers to transport the product to nearby areas, which is a concern.

The Cartels have too much invested, and too much money at stake to simply fold up shop and move on. I don't think we've seen anything close to what is likely going to happen.

Regardless, the same point remains, legalizing drugs is not going to stop illegal aliens from trying to come to the US. That is dope smoking craziness.

Sounds like more racist crap to me, its the same line used by the feds in the 1930's to initiate the marijuana stamp act. And that is a fact!! You can read this if you like:

U.S. Legalization of Marijuana Has Hit Mexican Cartels' Border Trade

Why would anyone go to a street dealer instead of a licensed dispensary. Personally, I like to know there are no herbicides and pesticides in my MEDICATION. Its safer all the way around.
 
Your stereotyping vets with PTSD as dope smoking crazy? Or is that all people who use it as a med? Get some education on the subject ok

The big word in that blurb is MAY, that is a presumption which so far has not been proven to be true. Face it, the cost of prohibition does not justify keeping a drug which is scientifically proven to be LESS harmful than alcohol. I don't touch alcohol, its addictive, and destroys lives physically. But I don't begrudge those that choose to be boozers. I know its tough for the advocates of the War on Drugs to accept, most people do not like to admit when they are wrong. All the nay sayers in CO, so far none of there predictions have come true, crime is down, arrest our down, and the state raked in millions in tax revenue, much of it being used to refurbish and build schools.

Wait until Nov when CA passes its voter initiative, CA is going to have a huge tax windfall, and the feds will have no option but to remove the plant from schedule 1 ending the ridiculous prohibition. All those Republican States who refuse the will of there own voters, they will be drooling over the tax money being raked in.

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Where have I stereotyped anyone? The idea in the OP is absurd. Novel, but absurd.

Get hammered, I don't care. I hope the states that make it legal tax the crap out of weed. I don't care.

I think I've made that pretty clear.
 
Sounds like more racist crap to me, its the same line used by the feds in the 1930's to initiate the marijuana stamp act. And that is a fact!! You can read this if you like:

U.S. Legalization of Marijuana Has Hit Mexican Cartels' Border Trade

Why would anyone go to a street dealer instead of a licensed dispensary. Personally, I like to know there are no herbicides and pesticides in my MEDICATION. Its safer all the way around.

Racist crap? What the hell are you talking about?

I'm thinking you don't know much about drug abuse. At least you seem to project that in your posts.

The cartels are going nowhere:

From your link -

Despite the drop in homicides, Mexico’s violence is still at painful levels. In September, cartel thugs working with corrupt police attacked a group of students, killing three and abducting 43. The atrocity caused hundreds of thousands to take to the streets to protest corruption and bloodshed. On Monday, cartel gunmen ambushed police in Jalisco state, killing 15 in one of the worst attacks on security forces in recent years.

A key problem is that cartels have diversified to a portfolio of other crimes, from sex trafficking to stealing crude oil from Mexican pipelines. They also make billions smuggling hard drugs. Seizures of both heroin and crystal meth on the U.S.-Mexico border have gone up as those of marijuana have sunk, according to U.S. Homeland Security, with agents nabbing a record 34,840 pounds of meth in 2014.​

Alcoholics steal mouthwash and vanilla extract from stores because they can't afford the real booze. People do whatever it takes to get loaded. There will be more of them. I don't care. As long as the tax revenue generated covers the entire social cost of drug use, people should be allowed to knock themselves out with it.
 
Racist crap? What the hell are you talking about?

I'm thinking you don't know much about drug abuse. At least you seem to project that in your posts.

The cartels are going nowhere:

From your link -

Despite the drop in homicides, Mexico’s violence is still at painful levels. In September, cartel thugs working with corrupt police attacked a group of students, killing three and abducting 43. The atrocity caused hundreds of thousands to take to the streets to protest corruption and bloodshed. On Monday, cartel gunmen ambushed police in Jalisco state, killing 15 in one of the worst attacks on security forces in recent years.

A key problem is that cartels have diversified to a portfolio of other crimes, from sex trafficking to stealing crude oil from Mexican pipelines. They also make billions smuggling hard drugs. Seizures of both heroin and crystal meth on the U.S.-Mexico border have gone up as those of marijuana have sunk, according to U.S. Homeland Security, with agents nabbing a record 34,840 pounds of meth in 2014.​

Alcoholics steal mouthwash and vanilla extract from stores because they can't afford the real booze. People do whatever it takes to get loaded. There will be more of them. I don't care. As long as the tax revenue generated covers the entire social cost of drug use, people should be allowed to knock themselves out with it.

Blah blah

Its happening get over it

As for racism and the drug

http://io9.gizmodo.com/anti-marijuana-laws-were-based-on-racism-not-science-1500321449
 
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Where have I stereotyped anyone? The idea in the OP is absurd. Novel, but absurd.

Get hammered, I don't care. I hope the states that make it legal tax the crap out of weed. I don't care.

I think I've made that pretty clear.

What exactly was this statement:

That is dope smoking craziness

People cling on to stereotypes

Guilty as charged, I am well versed in drug addiction so don't assume ok
 
Blah blah

Its happening get over it

It's apparent you have no interest in the subject other to see pot legalized. I've written that I don't care whether it gets passed or not. That would suggest I have no disagreement with your desire to get loaded more easily.

Of course, you are apparently too loaded to comprehend what you are reading, otherwise you would not be taking this bizarre tack of thinking I am opposed to legalization.
 
What exactly was this statement:

That is dope smoking craziness

People cling on to stereotypes

Guilty as charged, I am well versed in drug addiction so don't assume ok

The belief and suggestion stated in the OP that legalizing pot will stop illegal immigration can only be explained by really good bud. No sober mind could invent such a connection.
 
It's apparent you have no interest in the subject other to see pot legalized. I've written that I don't care whether it gets passed or not. That would suggest I have no disagreement with your desire to get loaded more easily.

Of course, you are apparently too loaded to comprehend what you are reading, otherwise you would not be taking this bizarre tack of thinking I am opposed to legalization.


Another assumption

your 0 for 2

want to try for a third?

Threes strikes your out
 
The belief and suggestion stated in the OP that legalizing pot will stop illegal immigration can only be explained by really good bud. No sober mind could invent such a connection.

You often assume things about complete strangers/

Oh, your a conservative

that explains everything
 
The irony in your post is remarkable.

Is that why you "liked" my post?

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Na

I was just bored and enjoy watching ideologues from both sides spin BS
 
Again, generally, I have no problem with legalization of drugs. The fact there will be more addicts as a result is an absolute certainty. People will die, and innocent people will be killed by those who use them. That is also an absolute certainty.

In the end, it is a persons personal choice. Any move to legalize must include mechanisms to make sure these drugs generate sufficient revenue to pay for the social costs of dealing with them though. That responsibility must be born by those who chose to use them.

I assume you do not currently use any of the illegal drugs, and that the only drugs you do use are legal.

Do you mean to suggest that the only reason you do not use illegal drugs is because of their legal status?
 
I assume you do not currently use any of the illegal drugs, and that the only drugs you do use are legal.

Do you mean to suggest that the only reason you do not use illegal drugs is because of their legal status?

If that is the case the alcohol companies owe rehab centers a ton of money
 
If that is the case the alcohol companies owe rehab centers a ton of money

If what is the case?

I asked him a question just moments ago, and he has not answered yet.

For the sake of discussion I could ask you the same question....
 
If what is the case?

I asked him a question just moments ago, and he has not answered yet.

For the sake of discussion I could ask you the same question....

He said:

Any move to legalize must include mechanisms to make sure these drugs generate sufficient revenue to pay for the social costs of dealing with them though.

my response was if that's true the alcohol companies owe rehab and society in general a whole lot of $$
 
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