Lancet study validity in doubt - Page 18

GySgt · 02-10-08, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I was making a point.

A point your ego apparently will not allow you to see.

I see that you are refusing common sense just to validate this report, which has long been swept aside by most all organizations who also don't agree with our invasion into Iraq. You would think that critics and opponents of taking out Saddam would be lunging to validate this report instead of pushing it away. There are many organizations that claim to have an idea of the numbers. All of which are far less than Lancet and all of which have an axe to grind against America. It would appear that Professional protestors have recognized that protesting with truth is far more useful than lunging for exaggerations.

Common sense, Billo. Don't treat it like HIV.

Billo_Really · 02-10-08, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgt

I see that you are refusing common sense just to validate this report, which has long been swept aside by most all organizations who also don't agree with our invasion into Iraq. You would think that critics and opponents of taking out Saddam would be lunging to validate this report instead of pushing it away. There are many organizations that claim to have an idea of the numbers. All of which are far less than Lancet and all of which have an axe to grind against America. It would appear that Professional protestors have recognized that protesting with truth is far more useful than lunging for exaggerations.

Common sense, Billo. Don't treat it like HIV.

Listen, you don't ****ing know!

Stop acting like you do!

GySgt · 02-10-08, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

Listen, you don't ****ing know!

Stop acting like you do!

Yet, your insistence that this is a report handed to us by God himself is truth? You pretend to offer us that you don't know either, yet you defy every other report just to celebrate this one? Despite the overwhelming reports from other organizations that have no love for America that contradicts these numbers by a far margin? I think one could employ a bit of common sense to the situation. I think that by employing a bit of honest thought with a measure of integrity, one can very well know what is exaggerated and what is not.

655,000 bodies would be a great deal of public carnage. I never saw such a display and remember, I was there for the 2003 invasion, Fallujah I, and Fallujah II. And, apparently, neither did any other organization except for what produced this report that others have questioned.

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The first survey[1] published on 29 October 2004, estimated 98,000 excess Iraqi deaths...

The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths ....

Whoa, that is a huuuuge jump, wouldn't you say? Must be a lot of pissed off Sunni and Shia's looking to create hatred against each other. But let's look at the critics of this report...

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However, the Lancet surveys have been criticized by the US and Iraqi governments, the Iraq Body Count project, epidemiologists, demographers, Iraq-war journalists and others. See the sections below on "criticisms"....

I leave you the link so you can employ some common sense and put it all together by yourself if you want to. I have learned that breaking things down for you only result in you stubbornly fixing your opinions in concrete against any common sense conclusion. I wonder why you seek to stand by the epidemiologists who favor this report and ask who I am that I would criticize it, yet dismiss the overwhelming amount of epidemiologists who criticize it. They don't quite support your opinions?

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

What specifically have I not addressed. Please by all means if I missed something I will be happy to address it.

But this was a retreat tactic for you wasn't it.

Billo? Are you avoiding this?

Tashah · 02-11-08, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Billo? Are you avoiding this?

Seems that abu-bill is MIA

Billo_Really · 02-11-08, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgt

Yet, your insistence that this is a report handed to us by God himself is truth? You pretend to offer us that you don't know either, yet you defy every other report just to celebrate this one? Despite the overwhelming reports from other organizations that have no love for America that contradicts these numbers by a far margin? I think one could employ a bit of common sense to the situation. I think that by employing a bit of honest thought with a measure of integrity, one can very well know what is exaggerated and what is not.

655,000 bodies would be a great deal of public carnage. I never saw such a display and remember, I was there for the 2003 invasion, Fallujah I, and Fallujah II. And, apparently, neither did any other organization except for what produced this report that others have questioned.

Whoa, that is a huuuuge jump, wouldn't you say? Must be a lot of pissed off Sunni and Shia's looking to create hatred against each other. But let's look at the critics of this report...

I leave you the link so you can employ some common sense and put it all together by yourself if you want to. I have learned that breaking things down for you only result in you stubbornly fixing your opinions in concrete against any common sense conclusion. I wonder why you seek to stand by the epidemiologists who favor this report and ask who I am that I would criticize it, yet dismiss the overwhelming amount of epidemiologists who criticize it. They don't quite support your opinions?

You let your ego cloud your judgement way too much. Or you feel the need to lie to mask your ignorance. Show me one post of mine where I said this Lancet report came from God. Show me one post of mine where I have dismissed other reports. My position has been that they are the experts in this field, I trust their judgement. But I also realize, unlike you, that I may be wrong. That is why I do not dismiss other reports. I just put more stock in the Lancet report. That's it.

If you want to crucify me for my position, you can...

Billo_Really · 02-11-08, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tashah

Seems that abu-bill is MIA

Stop calling me names!

Reverend_Hellh0und · 02-11-08, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

You let your ego cloud your judgement way too much. Or you feel the need to lie to mask your ignorance. Show me one post of mine where I said this Lancet report came from God. Show me one post of mine where I have dismissed other reports. My position has been that they are the experts in this field, I trust their judgement. But I also realize, unlike you, that I may be wrong. That is why I do not dismiss other reports. I just put more stock in the Lancet report. That's it.

If you want to crucify me for my position, you can...

When can I expect your rebuttal to Havard's Kanes analysis of the lancet study and its obvious flaws?

cherokee · 02-11-08, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

Stop calling me names!

Dear Mr. Bill,
Sorry to bother you ole boy but would you please kindly return to our discussion
http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...o-gaza-61.html (Apartheid Israel's Inhuman Ghetto: Gaza)

If it wouldn't be too much of a bother can you swing by the shop and pick up a dozen Empire biscuits?

Thanks ole chap.

Billo_Really · 02-12-08, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

When can I expect your rebuttal to Havard's Kanes analysis of the lancet study and its obvious flaws?

I couldn't understand it.

Way too technical for me.

I couldn't tell whether I was being bull****ted, or told the truth.