TheHonestTruth

This is what happens when you kick somebody's *** in a debate. Ad hom attacks and childish name calling.

He can't explain why its logical to be handing out weapons to unstable warring factions, while at the same time our troops are patrolling looking for weapons caches.

And Trajan could not address what Cheney said in the video I just linked. He has to ignore it because it exposes what a fraud this whole thing has been. Cheney called the idea of an Iraq invasion a quagmire, his own words.

Shayah

You lambaste Cheney at every opportunity, and yet you embrace selective Cheneyisms. Which is it?

WI Crippler

Whichever serves their purpose. C'mon, you know this Shayah.....

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TheHonestTruth

I am correctly exposing him when he flip flops.

We know he was telling the truth in 1994 because almost everything he describes in that interview has come true. And yet he didn't tell the public these things when he was selling us this war. Just as he predicted, it has become a very bloody, very messy sectarian battle for control of the region that will not be easily resolved.

In this case the flip flop is so atrocious and lies in selling the war so blatant as to be almost laughable if it weren't so tragic.We were told this war would be quick.

Notice immediately after invading the administration said it would be prolonged. Just listen to the first words of this news report on the day of the invasion.NPR : U.S. Military Strikes on Iraq

He made those comments about Iraq being a "quagmire" in 1994 when he had nothing to personally gain from a war with Iraq. But after being hired as Halliburton CEO in 1995 and retiring with millions in stock in 2000, he certainly had some things to gain, especially in a prolonged war -- which he knew would be inevitable should we invade.


This blatant deceit is clear evidence of corruption -- the revolving door in politics between industry and politicians. This is especially present in the defense sector where the relationship between govt officials and industry is so cozy as to be nearly indistinguishable.

Look at this graph of Halliburton stock since the invasion.

Shayah

What politician doesn't flip-flop? Are you telling me that you actually believed Cheney et. al. in that Iraq would be a day at the beach in 2003? The murderous and genocidal Ba'ath Party of Saddam Hussein could just barely keep the lid on internal combustion. This reality should have been painfully obvious to anyone who possessed even a cursory knowledge of Iraq.

winston53660

The collective critical thinking capacity of the American public is on par with gnats.

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TheHonestTruth

This isn't merely about Cheney flip flopping.

This is about the tragedy of what is happening in our government with war profiteering. These are unending lies, outright corruption, and insanity rolling into one giant mess. Its already having huge consequences on our economy. Our budget is strapped and oil prices are skyrocketing, these are just the immediate effects. And of course with serious consequences for our future economy, as well as future safety in the form of blowback.

This is about the reality of our mid east plans. Learning of this deceit shows the plan all along has been to overtake the middle east by first sending it into utter chaos. This is divide and conquer, one of the oldest military tactics known to man.

This shows the plan all along was a vision to stay in the mid east for decades and decades spending TRILLIONS of taxpayer dollars serving business interests. This is significant because it shows we are there as a result of the military industrial complex. Only money can motivate someone to take such a risky, costly undertaking. There is also the concept of the oil dollar/dollar hegemony at issue here. This is about greed. This is corruption facilitated by deceit at the highest levels of our system.

DivineComedy

Islamic xenophobia is a convenient excuse for Muslims that have a brain the size of a pea or the morality of Shaitan:

“On Friday, an influential Shiite cleric in Najaf, Iraq, announced his support for two of Israel's biggest enemies -- the Palestinian militant group Hamas and Lebanon-based Hezbollah.
‘They can consider me their striking hand in Iraq whenever there is a necessity and whenever there is a need,’ Moqtada al-Sadr said in a sermon at Al Kufa mosque.” (CNN, Saturday, April 3, 2004 Posted: 6:42 AM EST (1142 GMT))
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

What goes around comes around.

http://www.clichesite.com/content.asp?which=tip+1560

*****

“On the basis of what we said about Iraq while confronting aggressions, the world now needs to abort the US aggressive schemes, including its aggression on the Afghan people, which must stop.
Again we say that when someone feels that he is unjustly treated, and no one is repulsing or stopping the injustice inflicted on him, he personally seeks ways and means for lifting that justice. Of course, not everyone is capable of finding the best way for lifting the injustice inflicted on him. People resort to what they think is the best way according to their own ideas, and they are not all capable of reaching out for what is beyond what is available to arrive to the best idea or means.
To find the best way, after having found their way to God and His rights, those who are inflicted by injustice need not to be isolated from their natural milieu, or be ignored deliberately, or as a result of mis-appreciation, by the officials in this milieu. They should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings. It is only normal to say that punishment is a necessity in our world, because what is a necessity in the other world must also be necessary in our world on Earth. But, the punishment in the other world is faire and just, and the prophets and messengers of God (peace be upon them all) conducted punishment and called for it in justice, and not on the basis of suspicions and whims.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

“Once again, we say that, injustice and the pressure that results from it on people lead to explosions. As explosions are not always organized, it is to be expected that they may harm those who make them and others. The events of September 11, should be seen on this basis, and on the basis of imbalanced reactions, on the part of governments accused of being democratic, if the Americans are sure that these were carried out by people from abroad.
To concentrate not on what is important, but rather on what is the most important, we say again that after having seen that the flames of any fire can expand to cover all the world, it first and foremost, needs justice based on fairness. The best and most sublime expression of this is in what we have learned from what God the Al Mighty ordered to be, or not to be.” (Saddam Hussein Shabban 13, 1422 H. October 29, 2001.)

***** Questions *****

Tell me Gladiator, who are the magical “they” that Saddam said “should, rather, be reassured and helped to save themselves, and their surroundings?”

Were the mis-appreciated by the officials in the Islamic milieu, or the magical “they,” taking the law into their own hands according to their own ideas of justice?

Please, don’t plead ignorance as I am getting really tired of that crap.

True, or untrue:

“A. Taking the law into one's own hands amounts to either Fasad fi'l-Ard (creating disorder) or Muharabah (rebellion) -- both of which are punishable by death in Islam.”
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/JIHAAD/m..._terrorism.htm

Judgment day awaits us.

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Yeah, a wall and a border patrol will protect us. {sound of laughter}

Shayah

No doubt massive corruption has transpired. Is corruption the catalyst of war or is it an appendage of war? That is where we basically differ.

TheHonestTruth

It doesn't have to be either or. You fail to recognize it can be a combination thereof - thats exactly what it is. The war profiteering is certainly a catalyst and an appendage. Where a potential conflict was looming, the profit motive was there to coerce our political leaders into accepting an incredibly risky and costly undertaking that doesn't necessarily advance our national interests.