Gladiator

Winning in Iraq to the Neocons, is actualy a stalemate in Chess. Winning to Neocons is being able to keep finding justifications to keep Western Troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Winning, in the ordinary sense of the word, is capturing the King, (as in Chess) or defeating the enemy. Creating a more amenable frame of mind in the enemy.

To Liberals and average people, Winning means withdrawing the troops because the objectives have been won. To Neocons, Winning means finding excuses to keep the troops deployed, and in at least some minimal conflict.

Similarly, the Islamic Militants consider it Winning, if the Western Powers insult the Islamic people, because that creates more students in the Madrass Schools, and more Recruits for the Islamic Militant movements.

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Monk-Eye

"Peace At Any Cost Is Surrender"
Ridiculous.

Those concerned with stopping the dysfunctional spread of arab hegemony, as islamofascism and cultural brain washing, via a proactive approach, don't undercut the mindset and the means to do so.

The expectations of instant gratification are pathetic.

Iraq is militarily defensible as a base of operations in support of the non-arab afghanistan and pakistan targets.

Please, obtain, keep, and share the overall focus.

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Hanged Man
Melpomene

Gladiator

Why are the Neocons allowing General Patraeus to actually begin partnering with the moderates in Iraq? Perhaps there was too much of an objection from the American People about the WWII cowboy style antagonism of the people in Iraq. Perhaps the Neocons estimate that the instilled level of insurgence in Iraq is sufficient that even good insurgent tactics implimented lately, will not be enough to overcome the embitterment of past insults and collateral damage.

"stopping the dysfunctional spread of arab hegemony, as islamofascism"

This is partly a Western Creation by Israel expaning settlements in non-clearly legal manner. The violence by Palestinians and other agasint Israel can be tracked by the expansion of Israeli settlements. US Secy State Rice is recently waking up to the incendiary nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

http://www.firstpr.com.au/nations/

Palestine Monitor Factsheet - Israeli settlements

MERIP Op-Eds: Israeli Settlements Illegal and Getting Worse, by Stephanie Koury

http://www.chicagopeacenow.org/MF_issue6_9-5-04.pdf


It is probably good for hte Neocons if the Military actually believes that the problem is entirely the fault of the Moslem extremists, so the US Military will continue to act disrespectfully to Islamic traditions, to further antagonize the Moslems, which will continue the conflict in Iraq, justifying the continued deployment of Western troops.



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Monk-Eye

"Amnesia Puppets"
The US military functions to create an iraqi military loyal to its democratic government.
Social systems of government are additional measures.

Arabs recognize the torah and the land of canaan decreed to israel, not ishmael, by their supposed patriarch and god.
If the the jews cannot establish the state of israel, then islam and judaism become illegitimate, and their god is dead - a myth.
So keep pushing palestine - fool.

Islam is arab culture and it should not be practiced by non-arabs.
That includes, iran, iraq, syria, turkey, lebanon, africa, egypt, malaysia, india, china, russia, europe, america, and any other land outside of arabia.

Israel did not state that it was the ideal practices of all peoples, israel intelligently bounded its traditions to specific land.

It is the arrogance of arabian empirialism, its hegemony perpetrated by conjecture to be ideal cultural practices for all people, and unbounded by territory which is to blame.
It is the root cause of the ignorant failure to acknowledge the authority and directives of their supposed patriarch.
And non-arabs are fighting ancestral dissent on behalf of arabs, of which non-arabs share no part except through delusion of arab cultural superiority.

Arabs had their day ripping the genius from other cultures and supplanting it with dysfunctional, antiquated, antilibertarian arabian manners of unacceptable conduct.

Trajan Octavian Titus

Oh I do so love the conspiratorial rhetoric from the Islamist Fascists, the Ummah can not be blamed for anything now can it? It makes a whole bunch of sense for the U.S. to try to bring about our own failure in Iraq, just ****ing genius on your part.

kathaksung

Tell me what you conclusion you got from this story?

Where the car bomb came from?

Here is another case that US Army plant it to provoke a civil war in Iraq.
18. Quote, "He got suspicious because the Americans call him ask if he is already in the market

Quote, "Iraqirabita tell a story about an Iraq interpreter working in an American military base was sent to the city by his bosses to by computer hardware, he took the car but he stopped by friends.

He got suspicious because the Americans call him every now and then asking him if he already in the market, he parked the car in the middle of nowhere and answered yes, few minutes after that the car exploded. The guy left the country after that to Turkey.

For more information in English on American black budget special operations money being used to set up so called suicide bombing, below

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/ar...uicide_bombing

Trajan Octavian Titus

That you're a nutter reading conspiracist Islamist propaganda which posits absolutely 0 evidence to back up its bull****, that's "what I conclusion from this story."

TheHonestTruth

He's giving you facts...we are state sponsors of terror the proof is everywhere.

You are so brainwashed Trajan. Anybody with a clue knows we've been arming all sides of all conflicts in the mid east for decades now, its nothing new. Its the divide and conquer strategy.

Some evidence for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/wo...st/11iraq.html

*Note that the corporate media hacks can't even report this accurately. They say we are doing it so the Sunni's can "attack al-qaeda" but thats just the corporate media acting as scribes for the military officials in this country who use that kind of doublespeak for attacking the warring factions in Iraq. The fact that we are arming the outlaw groups in the region shows we're just trying to stir things up.

This is a planned quagmire. Cheney knew it would be one back in 1994. This is all plain as can be.

Shayah

Your link points to a website hosted on a private server located in the obscure Coco Islands in southeast Asia. Hardly a reputable information outlet.

Trajan Octavian Titus

He is giving me ****, and you are a complete joke and just exposed yourself for the conspiracist that you are.

Really where? Let's see some that aint off a conspiracist pro-jihadi website there son.

Kiss my boney white Irish ***.

Our strategy for Iraq is not divide and conquer it is Democratize and leave, the policy of the Jihadists is to start a civil war because they thrive on chaos, I suggest you read the Zawahiri-Zarqawi letters, their tactic is to attack Shia and try to spark a civil war so they can build their caliphate out of the ashes. Sectarian violence is antithetical to our interests you ****ing idiot.

Wow you're a ridiculous human being, we are helping the tribal sheiks who are now at war with AQ, that is one of the main reasons why the surge is working but in your twisted conspiratorialist aluminum hat wearing ****ed up head aiding the native Iraqi Sunni's in their fight against AQI is akin to false flag operations in an attempt to start a civil war. Get a life nutter.