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Old 07-27-07, 08:33 AM   #131 (permalink)
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A distinction without meaning or relevance. They actions were carried out by the German military under orders from the German government.
This is simply not true. There have been attrocities committed by the German military, too, maybe not to the extend like American troops did in World War II, but there were have been attrocities.

The persecution of Jewish people was not a task of the German military and it has not been a task of Waffen SS.

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Remember the plaintive cry "I was only following orders."?
I am not talking about your "service" in Vietnam here.

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So you are being deliberately obtuse. Or perhaps its not deliberate, perhaps obtuse is just the way you are.
This is the third time you could have said "no", but you diverted the third time.
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Old 07-27-07, 08:45 AM   #132 (permalink)
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Re: Is the current surge working?

The surge alone probably is misunderstood. To respond to the question, yes it is working. Is it the final blow,no and was never intended to be. Since good news is rarely put across our airwaves I will insert a little here. The taliban is commiting suicicde by 1) being a disorganized (though we have heard they are getting more organized; more organized than what?) band of terrorists 2) spreading themselves too thin 3) too thin reduces dedication to any and every cause and is against every point of any military tactic 4) too thin opens up the door for infiltrators 5) terroists have one thing; terror 6) terror against a super military that is determined to stay will never claim a military victory 7) last point and a major one; terror "groups" are just that because their cause is not great enough to recruit civilians in large enough numbers to create a standing army.
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In this case it's good for the Taliban that the surge took place thousand miles away in Iraq and not in Afghanistan, otherwise they would be in real trouble now
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You say al Qaeda. He says al Queda. Let's snuff the whole thing out.
When this columnist says Queda, it shows that he gets all his info from Western and pro-crusader sources, and that is incomplete.

Since the word is actually القاعدة
then if we leave out the definite article, we get a word of 6 letters and 3 syllables
and not 5 letters and 2 syllables.

But since he is a country boy, he thinks the Q must be followed with a U, because that's the way it worked on his farm
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Old 07-27-07, 09:03 AM   #135 (permalink)
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How many people were killed today by US and Iraqi military forces compared to the number killed by, by Hell lets group them all together and called them the retarded Islamic rejects.

So far for today I see

US and Iraqi forces……..…0

Retarded Islamic rejects…..20
Yes.. It's really no wonder that you support the war, if you're starting with the premise that the US is killing no one
and you inform yourself exclusively from crusader apologist blogs.
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terror against a super military that is determined to stay will never claim a military victory
US deaths in Afghanistan are as follows

2001 - 12
2002 - 48
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
(2007 - 61 so far, on track for a record)

Shouldn't it be decreasing if the situation was improving for the Nazarenes?
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US deaths in Afghanistan are as follows

2001 - 12
2002 - 48
2003 - 48
2004 - 52
2005 - 99
2006 - 98
(2007 - 61 so far, on track for a record)

Shouldn't it be decreasing if the situation was improving for the Nazarenes?
No, as the engaging and killing of the enemy increases so does the casualty rate of the good guys. 61 soldiers in a war over seven months is less than 10 casualties per month. We lose that many in the morning drive to work in one day where I live.
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In this case it's good for the Taliban that the surge took place thousand miles away in Iraq and not in Afghanistan, otherwise they would be in real trouble now
No taliban in Iraq? No gators in Florida?
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No taliban in Iraq? No gators in Florida?
If there is a Taliban in Iraq, then he has probably lost his way.
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This is simply not true. There have been attrocities committed by the German military, too, maybe not to the extend like American troops did in World War II, but there were have been attrocities.

The persecution of Jewish people was not a task of the German military and it has not been a task of Waffen SS.
Not a task of the Waffen SS? Was not the SS a bureaucratic empire that controlled the concentration camps in which victims of the regime were held; and developed its own army, the Waffen-SS? SS members had to proclaim loyalty to Nazi ideology and demonstrate ‘pure’ Aryan ancestry going back to at least 1800. The SS thus recruited the most enthusiastic Nazi supporters (but you say your grandpa didn't like the war).

As for the military, the Wehrmacht was very much involved in policies toward the Jews in the areas it occupied. After the war, Wehrmacht leaders tried to claim that the army had confined itself exclusively to fighting, and that the Holocaust had been carried out by the SS. In fact, top Wehrmacht commanders were fully informed about the extermination policy and cooperated in carrying out, although they left most of the actual killing to others. Particularly in occupied Russia, army units rounded up Jews, participated actively in the looting of their property, and sometimes killed them.

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I am not talking about your "service" in Vietnam here.
Neither am I. I am referring, as you well know, to the (in)famous "Nuremberg" defense.

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This is the third time you could have said "no", but you diverted the third time.
Are you still beating your wife?
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