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The minimum wage

We used a temp for six months and required the agency to screen them. If we liked them we hired them. If not we asked the agency to find someone else.

If you don't like Mary, to tell the agency not to send her. That way, no muss, no fuss, no legal entanglements.
 
gdgyva said:
people use staffing agencies for minimum wage jobs?

that make ZERO financial sense

why pay an agency an additional 30-35% minimum over and above whatever the actual rate is the employee will earn?

I use agencies on occasion...Robert Half, and accountemps mostly

and for the $ 14-16 hourly rates i end up paying $ 22-25 depending on timeframe

fine for covering for a few months for maternity leave, or an emergency type situation

not fine for long term....way too damn costly
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They do it, and I know they do it, because when I gt tired of hangin around the house, I go out for temporary work. What you have to think about, is the hourly package cost of a worker, and the money it takes to process those hours etc. This one reason why union employment is a better bargain for a business, ion that, labor coast projections are as close to on point as they can get for the period of the contract. Pensions and medical are usually handled by the union as well, so the processing cost may be a little higher, but the savings makes up for it. $00.50 an hour at the time a contract is signed is a real $00.50. But over a three or five year period of time, being the term of the agreement, the real value of that $00.50 goes down due t inflation. And as a company's profits increase, in real time, they are actually paying less per hour.

So, when a company signs for long term employees at minimum wage, without having to worry about any of the associated costs of labor, they are actually paying less over the long term.
 
Carjosse said:
Have you ever worked for minimum wage? That is not how it works people who work for minimum wage only very rarely get raises, unless they are unionized. Employers have no reason to give people raises so they do not, no matter how much they work.
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For three months, then I earned a raise, if I hadn't gotten a raise, I would have been seeking other employment or started working harder. You see, I take responsibility for my income. I don't rely on someone else to determine it. I don't abrogate that responsibility to the gov't or to a union - it's MY responsibility.
 
As a rule of thumb, the cost of an employee must be offset by roughly 3X the cost
in additional revenue to justify keeping the employee.
New hire minimum wage workers, for the most part start off below that ratio.
As they learn the job, and do their work more efficiently, they rapidly exceed that number.
Within 3 to 6 months, the person should have learned enough to justify a raise.
 
gdgyva said:
people use staffing agencies for minimum wage jobs?

that make ZERO financial sense

why pay an agency an additional 30-35% minimum over and above whatever the actual rate is the employee will earn?

I use agencies on occasion...Robert Half, and accountemps mostly

and for the $ 14-16 hourly rates i end up paying $ 22-25 depending on timeframe

fine for covering for a few months for maternity leave, or an emergency type situation

not fine for long term....way too damn costly
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I know a lady who worked at a company as a temp for 15 years, she is the sister of a friend of mine. They just made her their own perm employee a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure who was more stupid, the employer who overpaid for her labor for 15 years, or the worker who was underpaid for 15 years. The temp company was making a couple hundred bucks a week for 15 years off of this stupidity.
 
faithful_servant said:
For three months, then I earned a raise, if I hadn't gotten a raise, I would have been seeking other employment or started working harder. You see, I take responsibility for my income. I don't rely on someone else to determine it. I don't abrogate that responsibility to the gov't or to a union - it's MY responsibility.
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Clearly you have never had to find a job recently either.
 
Carjosse said:
Clearly you have never had to find a job recently either.
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In May, I will have worked for my current employer for 30 years and I was only at entry level wage for less than 30 days. You see, I took responsibility for what I was paid. When I saw that I was working circles around the guys who had been longer than me and were getting paid more, I came in early one day, sat down at my bosses desk and had a discussion about my wages. The next day, he called me into his office and showed me the raise slip he had filled out and told me that he had never given a new hire their first raise this early. Most entry level people lack that level of ambition and drive to excel and instead rely on people like you to take responsibility for their wage.
 
imagep said:
I know a lady who worked at a company as a temp for 15 years, she is the sister of a friend of mine. They just made her their own perm employee a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure who was more stupid, the employer who overpaid for her labor for 15 years, or the worker who was underpaid for 15 years. The temp company was making a couple hundred bucks a week for 15 years off of this stupidity.
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i vote for all

she cost herself money

the company cost itself money

and for what??
 
jet57 said:
They do it, and I know they do it, because when I gt tired of hangin around the house, I go out for temporary work.
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So you want to earn more when "you get tired of hanging around the house"? In the winter months I don't get to see my house in the daylight M-F.
 
faithful_servant said:
In May, I will have worked for my current employer for 30 years and I was only at entry level wage for less than 30 days. You see, I took responsibility for what I was paid. When I saw that I was working circles around the guys who had been longer than me and were getting paid more, I came in early one day, sat down at my bosses desk and had a discussion about my wages. The next day, he called me into his office and showed me the raise slip he had filled out and told me that he had never given a new hire their first raise this early. Most entry level people lack that level of ambition and drive to excel and instead rely on people like you to take responsibility for their wage.
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Similar story here, but I'm about 6-1/2 years behind you. Kept my nose down and several years of night school that sucked, but a few years of sacrifice then pays well today. Kids I hire now can't stay away from their smartphones long enough to concentrate on much. Unless they are Hispanic. Those boys have a real work ethic.
 
Bootlace said:
So you want to earn more when "you get tired of hanging around the house"? In the winter months I don't get to see my house in the daylight M-F.
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And that means what to me... I make plenty of money just hangin around the house. When I want to go out and work a bit, I sometimes take temporary jobs for fun if I have no other gigs goin on.
 
jet57 said:
And that means what to me... I make plenty of money just hangin around the house. When I want to go out and work a bit, I sometimes take temporary jobs for fun if I have no other gigs goin on.
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So if you take the job for the fun of it, why crow about minimum wage. You could just volunteer for fun, since you have plenty of money.
 
Bootlace said:
So if you take the job for the fun of it, why crow about minimum wage. You could just volunteer for fun, since you have plenty of money.
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Uh, I wasn't crowing about it. I answered two posts on the subject; one that wondered about temp jobs and the minimum wage, and the other was a correction about the history and reason for the minimum wage.

If you disagree with something I've said, then you can pose that. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
faithful_servant said:
For three months, then I earned a raise, if I hadn't gotten a raise, I would have been seeking other employment or started working harder. You see, I take responsibility for my income. I don't rely on someone else to determine it. I don't abrogate that responsibility to the gov't or to a union - it's MY responsibility.
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Wishful thinking and rhetorical bull**** won't help the poor in this country.
 
Carjosse said:
Who says people earning minimum wage put in minimal effort or minimal contribution to the workplace? Minimum wage workers are some of the hardest working people I know.
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Obviously some of them do put in effort. and some don't. Minimum wage rewards the ones who don't. The ones who do can be rewarded with raises, promotions or a better job. When you see someone who busts their butt, does a good job, hustles and cares that's the person you would want to hire. its not a perfect system obviously.
 
SocialD said:
Obviously some of them do put in effort. and some don't. Minimum wage rewards the ones who don't. The ones who do can be rewarded with raises, promotions or a better job. When you see someone who busts their butt, does a good job, hustles and cares that's the person you would want to hire. its not a perfect system obviously.
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Minimum wage rewards everyone by ensuring that demand remains strong. Our other laws, like right to work laws and capital gains tax rates, heavily favor the supply side of the market. We have been suffering for four decades from stagnant demand.
 
Absentglare said:
Minimum wage rewards everyone by ensuring that demand remains strong. Our other laws, like right to work laws and capital gains tax rates, heavily favor the supply side of the market. We have been suffering for four decades from stagnant demand.
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If it were up to me long term capital gains would be considered regular income for taxation.
 
Absentglare said:
Wishful thinking and rhetorical bull**** won't help the poor in this country.
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Not 100%, but for LOTS of them a real work ethic would make tons of difference. I know FAR too many people who simply won't work and would rather live on the gov't dime. People who are able-bodied, mentally capable, have transportation and access to work. What they lack is a work ethic. I have no problem with helping people when they need it, but I have a real problem with helping people because they are lazy. Now I'm pretty sure that your mind just went "fs thinks all poor people are lazy and he wants them all to starve in the streets", but that's not what I'm saying. When we have crops rotting in the fields/orchards due to a lack of workers, there's a problem. The Left's solution is to allow more illegal immigration, the Right's solution is to put welfare recipients to work. When half of the construction crews you see are staffed with immigrants, there's a problem. When we have people who are 100% capable of holding down a job, but would rather draw on the gov't largesse, there's a problem.
 
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