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Hamtramck is 1st American city to elect majority Muslim council

Hmm, so a neighborhood church no longer has enough parishioners and that's Allah's or Islam's fault? I guess if the Polish wanted to keep the community with their particular ethnic flavorings, they shouldn't have moved away in such large numbers.

Why are you so mean?
 
Sarcasm....right?

No, wrong. I really am optimistic and confident that those elected will take their responsibilities seriously and execute them fairly. Really.
 
Reality is neither mean nor nice, it just is.

Years ago I had a Pakistani friend. Great guy, had a full time job, worked hard. Which he supplemented with credit card fraud. And so we'd talk maybe once a week, sometimes for an hour or more. We did that for a few years and then he finally moved away. But you know something, they really don't think like we do. There's no place in their world for uppity females. And it was the one thing about America that really incensed them, the uppity females.
 
And so it starts. A foothold into government and then more, and more, until it reaches a majority in the state.
Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic. If not:

Islamophobia + Slippery Slope + Factually Inaccurate Claims = Un-American B.S.

Muslim citizenss have every right to believe what they want to believe, live where they want to live, run for office, go to our schools, work in the US and so forth. Just like every other citizen. If you don't like their religion, that is YOUR problem, not their fault.

By the way, Michigan is 79% Christian, and 1% Muslim. There is no way "they" will "take over" Michigan during our lifetimes.


It will take a few years of manipulation and getting along, but eventually, Sharia Law will replace the State Constitution....or will have equal footing.
Religious laws, like Sharia (or Halakha or whatever) will not replace any state's laws, statutes or Constitutions. That's ridiculous scare-mongering.


You do know that there are zones in the UK and Europe, whereby Sharia Law rules that zone and local police stay out...right?
I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

There are some non-binding independent religious mediation councils in the UK, and a few in the US too. Key word is NON-BINDING. They do not carry the force of law. They will never carry the force of law.

It's no different than a Jewish woman trying to obtain a get when she divorces her husband; a get has zero legal status, though it matters to the Jewish community. We are not going to hell in a hand basket because some Jews adhere to these non-legal structures.
 
Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic. If not:

Islamophobia + Slippery Slope + Factually Inaccurate Claims = Un-American B.S.

Muslim citizenss have every right to believe what they want to believe, live where they want to live, run for office, go to our schools, work in the US and so forth. Just like every other citizen. If you don't like their religion, that is YOUR problem, not their fault.

By the way, Michigan is 79% Christian, and 1% Muslim. There is no way "they" will "take over" Michigan during our lifetimes.



Religious laws, like Sharia (or Halakha or whatever) will not replace any state's laws, statutes or Constitutions. That's ridiculous scare-mongering.



I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

There are some non-binding independent religious mediation councils in the UK, and a few in the US too. Key word is NON-BINDING. They do not carry the force of law. They will never carry the force of law.

It's no different than a Jewish woman trying to obtain a get when she divorces her husband; a get has zero legal status, though it matters to the Jewish community. We are not going to hell in a hand basket because some Jews adhere to these non-legal structures.

Please dont bring logic, rational thinking and common sense into this debate..:)
 
No, wrong. I really am optimistic and confident that those elected will take their responsibilities seriously and execute them fairly. Really.

Well, I'm not optimistic about this........but I also hope that I'm wrong. That does happen on occasion. :)

Reality is neither mean nor nice, it just is.

That's basically what I am saying, when I state that a good guy with a gun, is needed to stop a bad guy with a gun. It's reality....it just .....is.

Years ago I had a Pakistani friend. Great guy, had a full time job, worked hard. Which he supplemented with credit card fraud. And so we'd talk maybe once a week, sometimes for an hour or more. We did that for a few years and then he finally moved away. But you know something, they really don't think like we do. There's no place in their world for uppity females. And it was the one thing about America that really incensed them, the uppity females.

Hell, even I don't like uppity females. They incense me as well. That's why I get really pissed off when some TV shows feature females running an elite police squad. That rarely happens. Usually, there is a female producing, writing or directing that show.....or a combo of all 3.
 
Please, please, PLEASE tell me that you're being sarcastic. If not:

Islamophobia + Slippery Slope + Factually Inaccurate Claims = Un-American B.S.

Muslim citizenss have every right to believe what they want to believe, live where they want to live, run for office, go to our schools, work in the US and so forth. Just like every other citizen. If you don't like their religion, that is YOUR problem, not their fault.

By the way, Michigan is 79% Christian, and 1% Muslim. There is no way "they" will "take over" Michigan during our lifetimes.



Religious laws, like Sharia (or Halakha or whatever) will not replace any state's laws, statutes or Constitutions. That's ridiculous scare-mongering.



I know that you have no idea what you're talking about.

There are some non-binding independent religious mediation councils in the UK, and a few in the US too. Key word is NON-BINDING. They do not carry the force of law. They will never carry the force of law.

It's no different than a Jewish woman trying to obtain a get when she divorces her husband; a get has zero legal status, though it matters to the Jewish community. We are not going to hell in a hand basket because some Jews adhere to these non-legal structures.

I'm dead serious.
Their history in the rest of the world, speaks for itself. They are just starting to get a foothold in the USA. We may not see it in our lifetime, but if allowed to continue, it will permeate and further destroy our way of life and our government.
I support Israel to the max in it's need to defend itself....I do not support American Jews, who have dominated Hollywood and the movie industry for years, as well as banking....and constantly contribute to liberal ideology and Democrat politicians.
Number one in that group is Harvey Weinstein and a guy named Katzenburg....and many others. They are all Anti-gun and Pro sleaze.
Michael Bloomberg is a Reform Judaism,(Progressive Jew) he worked for a large Jewish investment firm, Saloman Bros.

These people are far removed, from the Jewish people in Israel....and little by little, they have had a major influence over the direction of the US.......and it has little to do with personal freedoms.
Micheal Bloomberg and his anti-gun group and other influences, are ruining the US.
 
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Hell, even I don't like uppity females. They incense me as well. That's why I get really pissed off when some TV shows feature females running an elite police squad. That rarely happens. Usually, there is a female producing, writing or directing that show.....or a combo of all 3.

I didn't really mean it in that way. My impression was that they did not like the way our women publicly act or dress. The behavior of our women literally incensed them. They really didn't want women out in public. And they definitely didn't want them in the workplace. Their concern is one of marital fidelity. Based on the countless ubiquitous affairs I've witnessed over the years, in that I have to agree. They have a definite point. For many women the male dominated workplace is all about the connections that favor upward mobility; that is their priority. So the Muslims aren't too far off the mark.

"Women's rights" though have been a huge plus for guys like me. I enjoy being a sinner way too much. And I really love my bacon.
 
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I'm dead serious.
Their history in the rest of the world, speaks for itself.
Christians spent centuries killing each other for scraps of land in Europe. They then sailed around the globe, enslaved millions of people, worked them to their deaths in the New World, and continued to kill each other in increasingly large numbers -- usually over territory, occasionally because of religion. It is only after a massive paroxysm of violence (including a multi-million victim genocide) in the middle of the 20th Century that Judeo-Christian societies really calmed down.

Of course, part of that "calming down" included dozens of proxy wars, bombing the snot out of small Southeast Asian nations (to the point that unexploded ordinance is STILL killing people).

Oh, and lots of terrorism too -- ranging from the KKK to the Weather Underground to Baader Meinhof to the IRA to Tim McVeigh. No one has a monopoly on terrorism.

Throughout history, the Muslim / Arab / Persian world has been equally warlike as the West, and often more sophisticated. In terms of art, science, mathematics, and law, the Arab world put Europe to shame in the Middle Ages. They've also generally been far less imperialist and genocidal.

I.e. I'm quite aware of their "history in the world," and I don't see any particular cause for alarm with one municipality electing several Muslims to the city council.


They are just starting to get a foothold in the USA. We may not see it in our lifetime, but if allowed to continue, it will permeate and further destroy our way of life and out government.
lol

So you're pushing back the Day of Doom to when, exactly? 2175 perhaps? Based on 0.9% of Americans being Muslim today? If that's the case, I think you have more to fear from Hindus. :D

By the time that Dreaded Day happens, the Muslims will be assimilated. Meaning that they'll be just like the rest of us -- a bunch of Fat Americans, sitting on the couch, eating chips and playing Madden Supreme Soccer 2176.


I support Israel to the max in it's need to defend itself....I do not support American Jews, who have dominated Hollywood and the movie industry for years and constantly contribute to liberal ideology and Democrat politicians.
Nice. Nothing like a little not-so-subtle anti-semitism in the afternoon.

Ultimately, you have no facts, lots of slander, and an unhealthy dose of innuendo to "support" your position. Very impressive....
 
Hamtramck is a relatively poor city surrounded by Detroit and it's mostly European Muslims. The call to prayer is played 5 times per day over the city's loudspeaker, which annoys some of the non-Muslim residents. Coincidentally, it's less than 10 miles from one of the most densely populated Arab cities outside of the Middle East, which is Dearborn.
 
And so it starts. A foothold into government and then more, and more, until it reaches a majority in the state. It will take a few years of manipulation and getting along, but eventually, Sharia Law will replace the State Constitution....or will have equal footing.
You do know that there are zones in the UK and Europe, whereby Sharia Law rules that zone and local police stay out...right?

These people in Mich. are selling out their Freedom.

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Years ago I had a Pakistani friend. Great guy, had a full time job, worked hard. Which he supplemented with credit card fraud. And so we'd talk maybe once a week, sometimes for an hour or more. We did that for a few years and then he finally moved away. But you know something, they really don't think like we do. There's no place in their world for uppity females. And it was the one thing about America that really incensed them, the uppity females.

What does this mean, uppity females? What are you talking about?
 
Well, I'm not optimistic about this........but I also hope that I'm wrong. That does happen on occasion. :)

That's basically what I am saying, when I state that a good guy with a gun, is needed to stop a bad guy with a gun. It's reality....it just .....is.

Hell, even I don't like uppity females. They incense me as well. That's why I get really pissed off when some TV shows feature females running an elite police squad. That rarely happens. Usually, there is a female producing, writing or directing that show.....or a combo of all 3.

Sorry, but I really don't see what these responses had to do with a couple of these posts. Nor do I see what this last response has to do with the thread. What uppity females?
 
What does this mean, uppity females? What are you talking about?

From the Merriam-Webster:

1) acting as if you are more important than you really are, do not have to do what you are told to do, etc.

2) putting on or marked by airs of superiority; arrogant, presumptuous

It also says it's a variant of persnickety, first known use, 1880.

It's not just the way American women act, but also the way they dress, that really incenses Muslims.
 
Sorry, but I really don't see what these responses had to do with a couple of these posts. Nor do I see what this last response has to do with the thread. What uppity females?

Of course you don't see it......

How about Rosie O'Doughnuts for example, Whoopie "the crotch grabber" Goldberg, Moocheel "the hypocrite" obama....just for starters.
 
From the Merriam-Webster:

1) acting as if you are more important than you really are, do not have to do what you are told to do, etc.

2) putting on or marked by airs of superiority; arrogant, presumptuous

It also says it's a variant of persnickety, first known use, 1880.

It's not just the way American women act, but also the way they dress, that really incenses Muslims.

.........Yep!
 
Of course you don't see it......

How about Rosie O'Doughnuts for example, Whoopie "the crotch grabber" Goldberg, Moocheel "the hypocrite" obama....just for starters.

Nope. Sorry, this doesn't make any sense to me.
 
I didn't really mean it in that way. My impression was that they did not like the way our women publicly act or dress. The behavior of our women literally incensed them. They really didn't want women out in public. And they definitely didn't want them in the workplace. Their concern is one of marital fidelity. Based on the countless ubiquitous affairs I've witnessed over the years, in that I have to agree. They have a definite point. For many women the male dominated workplace is all about the connections that favor upward mobility; that is their priority. So the Muslims aren't too far off the mark.

"Women's rights" though have been a huge plus for guys like me. I enjoy being a sinner way too much. And I really love my bacon.

Ok....I'll go along with that! :lol:

Christians spent centuries killing each other for scraps of land in Europe. They then sailed around the globe, enslaved millions of people, worked them to their deaths in the New World, and continued to kill each other in increasingly large numbers -- usually over territory, occasionally because of religion. It is only after a massive paroxysm of violence (including a multi-million victim genocide) in the middle of the 20th Century that Judeo-Christian societies really calmed down.

Of course, part of that "calming down" included dozens of proxy wars, bombing the snot out of small Southeast Asian nations (to the point that unexploded ordinance is STILL killing people).

Oh, and lots of terrorism too -- ranging from the KKK to the Weather Underground to Baader Meinhof to the IRA to Tim McVeigh. No one has a monopoly on terrorism.

Throughout history, the Muslim / Arab / Persian world has been equally warlike as the West, and often more sophisticated. In terms of art, science, mathematics, and law, the Arab world put Europe to shame in the Middle Ages. They've also generally been far less imperialist and genocidal.

I.e. I'm quite aware of their "history in the world," and I don't see any particular cause for alarm with one municipality electing several Muslims to the city council.



lol

So you're pushing back the Day of Doom to when, exactly? 2175 perhaps? Based on 0.9% of Americans being Muslim today? If that's the case, I think you have more to fear from Hindus. :D

By the time that Dreaded Day happens, the Muslims will be assimilated. Meaning that they'll be just like the rest of us -- a bunch of Fat Americans, sitting on the couch, eating chips and playing Madden Supreme Soccer 2176.



Nice. Nothing like a little not-so-subtle anti-semitism in the afternoon.

Ultimately, you have no facts, lots of slander, and an unhealthy dose of innuendo to "support" your position. Very impressive....

When one entity gets a good foot hold on a country, they start getting pushy. It's happening all over Europe as we speak.
I may actually live to see blood in the streets across this country.....if it happens after I'm dead, the girlie boys coming out of college today, and probably some on here, will be no match for them.

And, as you said, the Christians toned it down and all the while, the Muslims ramped it up .........and are still on the uptick!

You don't like a little Jewish history in the afternoon? Get Real, get educated, stop listening to liberals.

Oh and btw....you left the Black Panther Party off your list. Responsible for many murders, arson's, drug crimes and rapes.
 
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You can never have too many weird dinosaurs in a thread, can you?
 
When one entity gets a good foot hold on a country, they start getting pushy. It's happening all over Europe as we speak.
Does that mean that the Irish, Italians and Germans will take over in the year 2100? After all, they immigrated for decades, and certainly "got a foothold" by 1950. Why didn't they take over?

And yes, when groups (of ANY sort) become numerous in a democratic society, they usually try to gain representation in order to advance their interests and protect themselves. That's how it works.


I may actually live to see blood in the streets across this country....
Your paranoid fantasies are not proof of anything.


And, as you said, the Christians toned it down and all the while, the Muslims ramped it up .........and are still on the uptick!
Are they? Let's look at some homicide rates.

US: 4.7 per 100k
Saudi Arabia: 0.8
Lebanon: 2.2
Morocco: 2.2
Egypt: 3.4
Qatar: 1.1
Indonesia (one of the most populous nations): 0.8
Jordan: 2.0
Kuwait: 0.4
Oman: 1.1

Some nations like Pakistan and Iraq have moderately high homicide rates. However, they don't hold a candle to numerous Central and South American nations with predominantly Christian populations -- e.g. Honduras 90.4, Venezuela 53, etc.

In terms of war, it's not like the only active conflicts are in Muslim nations, or have anything to do with religion. E.g. the drug wars in Mexico and the Russian attacks on Ukraine, or the (finally almost over) decades-long conflict in Colombia have nothing to do with Islam. Conflicts also tend to shift, usually based on political factors -- e.g. many Central and South American nations were mired in violent insurgencies and civil wars in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

In other words: There is no correlation whatsoever with the dominant religion of a nation, and its rates of violence.


You don't like a little Jewish history in the afternoon? Get Real, get educated, stop listening to liberals.
Get educated about what, exactly?


Oh and btw....you left the Black Panther Party off your list. Responsible for many murders, arson's, drug crimes and rapes.
lol... The Black Panther Party are a bunch of pikers compared to the IRA, who were active for 30 years, and killed around 1800 people, including 650 innocent civilians. In one day's attack (7/21/72) they set off 22 separate bombs in Belfast, and a bunch of hoax bombs threats, in less than 2 hours. And they were a bunch of Christians, killing other Christians, mostly for religious reasons. Go figure.
 
I hope you don't live to learn what the difference could potentially be. ;)

Elucidate. What could the difference potentially be?
 
Well, I'm not optimistic about this........but I also hope that I'm wrong. That does happen on occasion. :)



That's basically what I am saying, when I state that a good guy with a gun, is needed to stop a bad guy with a gun. It's reality....it just .....is.



Hell, even I don't like uppity females. They incense me as well. That's why I get really pissed off when some TV shows feature females running an elite police squad. That rarely happens. Usually, there is a female producing, writing or directing that show.....or a combo of all 3.

Uppity females? Is that like 'uppity niggers', like they're trying to put themselves above their station?
 
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