Mayor Thinks People on Welfare 'Flaunt It,' Has Plan to post welfare recipients info

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FreedomFromAll said:

Your plan sounds expensive and pointless. While I agree that auditing is a good idea (though some States already do hold the precipitants of welfare responsible for their actions) and bringing back real jobs is always a winner. and of course removing the illegal worker element will improve job security for millions of people. Putting peoples faces on billboards is grand standing at its lowest. And is a bit too despotism for my tastes.

As a nation we do care about poverty, but then we also recognize that some people dont care about getting themselves out of poverty. Freedom and liberty will always allow there to be poverty. Poverty will go away when people have no right to be lazy. But for those that are trying we should be more accommodating. So as to keep them out of poverty. But all that is hard when partisan hacks are fighting over their parties/factions BS.

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The "billboard suggestion" was in answer to exactly whom should be put on billboards; the poor, or the convicted thief. So...

The some people who don't want to get out of poverty are another good target of revision, but there's always that 30%, so we can't MAKE them work and the majority have kids, so... what now?

By and large we agree. "Expensive and pointless"?, so was going to the moon, so was the war in Iraq, etc etc etc. It's about social priorities. If we can gain by spending the money, then we gain. If we don't gain, then why not? And don't get me wrong, poverty is an industry, there's no doubt about that, so - we find the CEOs of the different branches and get them to do other things...

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DannyRux said:

Real question: do we have a right to privacy from each other, or a right to privacy from the government? I'm not sure if this fits within the "search and seizure" amendment.

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If the government collects information from you then the government must keep that information private. The BoR's applies to the government. Not The People.

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jet57 said:

The "billboard suggestion" was in answer to exactly whom should be put on billboards; the poor, or the convicted thief. So...

The some people who don't want to get out of poverty are another good target of revision, but there's always that 30%, so we can't MAKE them work and the majority have kids, so... what now?

By and large we agree. "Expensive and pointless"?, so was going to the moon, so was the war in Iraq, etc etc etc. It's about social priorities. If we can gain by spending the money, then we gain. If we don't gain, then why not? And don't get me wrong, poverty is an industry, there's no doubt about that, so - we find the CEOs of the different branches and get them to do other things...

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Gain isnt always measured monetarily. Going to the moon was by no means pointless. At the very least the rockets developed for the moon mission were helpful.

Billboards will not change a thing, other than make people hate the government even more. Its a idea thought up to seek some kind of revenge, mainly by those on the right wanting to humiliate those that take money from the government. So that is why I said it was pointless.

Personally I am not anti welfare. I am anti welfare fraud. But I also dont think that any children should go hungry. And I dont think that people should die because they cant afford healthcare. No I dont have a great solution to all this. But I have some ideas.

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FreedomFromAll said:

Gain isnt always measured monetarily. Going to the moon was by no means pointless. At the very least the rockets developed for the moon mission were helpful.

Billboards will not change a thing, other than make people hate the government even more. Its a idea thought up to seek some kind of revenge, mainly by those on the right wanting to humiliate those that take money from the government. So that is why I said it was pointless.

Personally I am not anti welfare. I am anti welfare fraud. But I also dont think that any children should go hungry. And I dont think that people should die because they cant afford healthcare. No I dont have a great solution to all this. But I have some ideas.

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I never said anything about monetary gain. Secondly, as for billboards, as a crook, would you like for people to know that you bilked the taxpayers by preying on the poor?

I am anti welfare fraud too. So what do we do about it?

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And this guy is an asshole. **** him.

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jet57 said:

I never said anything about monetary gain. Secondly, as for billboards, as a crook, would you like for people to know that you bilked the taxpayers by preying on the poor?

I am anti welfare fraud too. So what do we do about it?

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Most of the crooks that I have met dont think like I do. Thats why they are crooks and I am not. SO they might not care that their face is on a billboard or they might be happy, I have no idea really.


What to do about welfare fraud you ask? About 15 years a go when I used to get food stamps for a short while, if you were jobless you had to be looking for work. You had to actually apply for jobs, and the office would call ask the places that you applied if you actually asked them and why they didnt hire you. You had to work so many hours a month if you had no job you had to volunteer at a community organization. Everyone had to take a life skills course. There was weekly reporting that had to be turned in or you would lose your food stamps.

Basically they made your life pretty close to what your life would be like if you had a job instead. Any damn fool can figure out that it would be easier to just get a job and quit reporting.

I dont if that worked for fraud or not. I havent looked it up. But it seemed to have worked locally. Even though that program ended years a go, the community seems more work oriented these days. I like the logic that if you want help you must work for it.

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ttwtt78640 said:

What I fail to see is what purpose would be served by a city (or state) publishing the names/addresses of those receiving federal assistance? Should we also publish the names/addresses of those getting SS/SSDI or EITC? It would obviously involve a local cost to do the publishing but what is the local benefit?

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It's just a shaming thing.

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I know one thing that would help the poor out. Pay them like Mr. Ford used to pay his employee's. Not just enough to pay the bills but also pay enough to where his employee's could buy one of his cars. Mind you this is at a time where the family unit was 4-5 people including the adults. (sometimes more) Yet at that time only the man of the house worked. IE: He paid just one his employee's enough money for his employee's family of 4 to pay the bills and have enough to save up to buy a brand new car.