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Court rules state retirees can stop paying health insurance premiums

ChezC3

ChezC3

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haymarket said:
Amen brother!!!!! The idea that you can change the rules for one side after they have completed playing the game is the worst kind of fraud.
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100% agreed.
 
I guess then that it's better for the state to go broke than to make cuts anywhere. Like that makes sense. Has anyone on the far left ever tried to even ask the question - who's going to pay for this?
 
Beaudreaux said:
I guess then that it's better for the state to go broke than to make cuts anywhere. Like that makes sense. Has anyone on the far left ever tried to even ask the question - who's going to pay for this?
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So, deny those that which is promised when they've done their duty, and spent their productive years in service. Now that they're not productive, in retirement, you want to deny them that which is theirs by right.

That makes sense, lets set a precedence where the government offers and promises something and then arbitrarily decides to renege. Despite it being written in the Constitution of said government. Yeah, that'll put trust back in government...:roll:

It's always easy to be cutthroat with other people's lives though, ain't it?
 
I feel you, Chez.....but....how WILL this be paid for?
 
KevinKohler said:
I feel you, Chez.....but....how WILL this be paid for?
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I'd cut the IL State Legislature's salaries to min. wage. for one.

Cut spending, promote business friendly policy which is offered to more than a select chosen few. I could go on and on...

There's ample solutions what is lacking is the will.

I am in no way saying what new employees are compensated has to be commiserate to what current, vested, and retired employees get.

Make a change. Fine and good, but you can't take from those who fulfilled their obligations on promised future compensation.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I guess then that it's better for the state to go broke than to make cuts anywhere. Like that makes sense. Has anyone on the far left ever tried to even ask the question - who's going to pay for this?
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The same people who promised to pay for it when serviced was rendered for 30 to 40 years.
 
ChezC3 said:
So, deny those that which is promised when they've done their duty, and spent their productive years in service. Now that they're not productive, in retirement, you want to deny them that which is theirs by right.

That makes sense, lets set a precedence where the government offers and promises something and then arbitrarily decides to renege. Despite it being written in the Constitution of said government. Yeah, that'll put trust back in government...:roll:

It's always easy to be cutthroat with other people's lives though, ain't it?
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Happens all the time to the military veterans, like me.

Maybe you would like to quote where social programs are written in the Constitution?
 
pension is earned salary. changing the terms after the fact is no different than if a previous employer retroactively reduced your salary and then sent you a bill for the difference.
 
haymarket said:
The same people who promised to pay for it when serviced was rendered for 30 to 40 years.
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The tax payers, which is who has to pay for such things, are running out of money. You can bleed a person only for so long, until they bleed to death.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Maybe you would like to quote where social programs are written in the Constitution?
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Article XIII, Section 5 of the ILLINOIS Constitution:

Membership in any pension or retirement system of the State, any unit of local government or school district, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which shall not be diminished or impaired.
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Illinois Constitution - Article XIII
 
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Well this should be interesting for Illinois. I agree that changing the benefit of the contract after the work has been done is wrong. But that leaves the state with few places to go other than to cut it from future contracts. Won't make the unions very happy and the state will have problems attracting new employees or keeping present ones.
 
Beaudreaux said:
The tax payers, which is who has to pay for such things, are running out of money.
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I would be happy to look at this claim should you provide verifiable evidence for it.
 
clownboy said:
This might help you find the way:

Illinois budget woes: Titanic and sinking | Institute of Government and Public Affairs
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My father was a very conservative man and raised me to be financially conservative as well. He taught me that the prudent man, the wise man, the conservative man, first pays his existing bills and obligations from which he has already used and benefitted before taking on new bills and obligations.

Do you subscribe to that conservative financial advice?

And if so, the key thing here seems to be increasing the amount of money coming in to cover ones past obligations or cutting discretionary spending from this point out without reneging on ones existing obligations.

I see nothing in that report that says this should not be done.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Happens all the time to the military veterans, like me.

Maybe you would like to quote where social programs are written in the Constitution?
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I'm a vet too, don't gimme that crap...

Apperantly you didn't read the article, specifically the part where it said that the IL STATE CONSTITUTION WAS VIOLATED.
 
Perotista said:
That might bring Illinois one step closer to bankruptcy, but what the heck. If that is what they were promised and part of the agreement when they signed on, they deserve a break.
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Yeah, I know, don't go after the billions of pork that's spent, nah, piss on the people who've actually earned it...

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ChezC3 said:
Yeah, I know, don't go after the billions of pork that's spent, nah, piss on the people who've actually earned it...

:roll:
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Now you know pork buys votes. Illinois politicians must have considered it best to peeve off retired government workers than a lot more people whom they provide the pork to.
 
This kind of thing would be easy to pay for if not for all the corporate subsidies and wasteful arms spending.
 
They'll never be able to keep it long term... Illinois is going to go bust eventually. Not sure what their numbers look like, but I know they're on an unsustainable path.

All these left-wingers think government expenditures and golden parachute retirements and benefits for the government workers is righteousness sprinkled with altruism - afterall, money grows on trees; but the sad reality is, these left-wing unions are paying off politicians, and the politicians sell these unsustainable payouts to the public - unfortunately, the public has been so dramatically dumbed down and indoctrinated, that they can't see a snake oil sales pitch when they see one.

Detroit went bust, Birmingham, AL, Santa Barabara, CA, et al... many municipalities are going bust, and several states are well on their way. Of course those states are all of the left-wing persuasion, i.e. CA, IL, NJ, NY, etc. Los Angeles and San Francisco are both going to be bust within 15-20 years.

Only a fool would go along with such obvious con game shenanigans and thievery; but, that describes most Amerikans today.
 
Perotista said:
Now you know pork buys votes. Illinois politicians must have considered it best to peeve off retired government workers than a lot more people whom they provide the pork to.
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I think Illinois "pension reform" is all smoke and mirrors. Politicians knew damn right well it would be found unconstitutional. But now they'll claim, "we TRIED to fix it, but those greedy pensioners insisted on the benefits they were promised and worked for, and sued us to get them. It's all their fault."
 
Perotista said:
Now you know pork buys votes. Illinois politicians must have considered it best to peeve off retired government workers than a lot more people whom they provide the pork to.
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Mike "My Money" Madigan has been in power for so long he don't give a rat's ass who he pisses off or on.

All he's doing now is setting the deck for his little princess to sit in the Governor's Mansion...

Bu as it were, there are countless other avenues to pursue which don't involve screwing people out of what's theirs by right and by law. One off the top of my head is the next time IL issues a $100 million in bonds they don't borrow $200 million against it as they've done for I don't know how many years... That would be a start...

What a lot of people also don't know is that State of IL workers get their SS adjusted. You could have worked from the time you were 16 to 46 in the private sector contributing to SS all your life and at 46 turned and went to work for the state until you were 66 and that 30 ears you put into social security? Yeah, you can kiss 70% of that goodbye. This was something however that most retirees now knew about back when they had a chance to move on to greener pastures, and they accepted it, why BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS PROMISED.

So now, what because politicians are scumbags now not only do they not get to see the 30 years of SS they put in but they also get to lose out on what was offered in its stead? Yeah, real friggin nice...
 
Paschendale said:
This kind of thing would be easy to pay for if not for all the corporate subsidies and wasteful arms spending.
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What arms has the State of Illinois been purchasing? Or is your comment a post in search of a topic?
 
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