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Old 05-27-09, 04:03 PM   #21
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

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It wasn't a question, it was a statement. Quit trying to oppress me.
Oh trust...I have no intention of oppressing your freedom to walk around naked if thats what you want to do.
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Old 05-27-09, 04:20 PM   #22
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

First off, the person who went to their supervisor absolutely did the right thing. When you've got a problem with somebody in your office these days, the safest thing to do is to talk to the wo/man in charge. If you don't, you risk starting an incident in your office that leaves your boss asking you, "Why didn't you just come to me about it?"

This is part of what the supervisor is there for.

As far as it goes with being offended by the flag, assuming that you don't Hate Amurika(tm), it takes a certain mnd-set. Generally speaking, somebody who would find a flag offensive would view it not as what it is (the flag of the USA) but as a symbol of nationalism. Nationalism can be both a good and a bad thing.

Perhaps the issue was not merely with the flag, but also with the attitude of the person who displayed it.

Either way, I think the supervisor was right to ask the individual displaying it to take it down. Obviously they thought the complaintant's grudge was valid (or, at least, that it was going to end up being more trouble than it was worth to tell them to stuff it), so they did what they thought was best.

Management jobs aren't easy, and they aren't fun, and quite often force you to make decisions that make sense to nobody outside of the situation but entirely make sense for what you've got to work with.
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

"Stifling a cry, McLucas said..."

I don't care about the merits, she sounds like a douche.
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

You do realize that that was the reporter's choice of words and not hers, right?
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

People on the far left are not going to want a large American flag in their office. The woman should take it down and apologize for not asking first. Try to come up with something acceptable to all who share the office. Maybe Elvis on black velvet. Or those poker playing dogs.
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First off, the person who went to their supervisor absolutely did the right thing. When you've got a problem with somebody in your office these days, the safest thing to do is to talk to the wo/man in charge. If you don't, you risk starting an incident in your office that leaves your boss asking you, "Why didn't you just come to me about it?"
Supervisors are not baby sitters, and workers are not children (although a good many of them act like it sometimes). Any supervisor who micromanages every little tiff in the office is an incompetent who needs to be put on the unemployment line post haste.
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Supervisors are not baby sitters, and workers are not children (although a good many of them act like it sometimes). Any supervisor who micromanages every little tiff in the office is an incompetent who needs to be put on the unemployment line post haste.
I agree wholeheartedly with what you've said, but I don't think that that's what is going on here.

Multiple people complained, and for the record we're talking about a 3' x 5' flag. Any personal decoration that size in an office environment is excessive unless you're talking about a party decoration or perhaps something in a bigwig's corner ofice.

When you get a bunch of complaints about something which is easily resolved in a common-sense manner and you do it, that's not micromanagement, that's good management.
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Re: Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

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... found the flag offensive...
I think the supervisor should pack their kit and move to Cuba or Venezuela... where hanging American flags is offensive too.



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I think calling the American Flag offensive is a load of crap and the employers and supervisors should be exposed as the anti-American douches they are. They actively discriminated against one of our nation's symbols. and therefore should be exposed and anti-American scum. So ****en what there are foreigners at the place,if they find the American flag offensive they can take the next plane back to their home country and not let the door hit them on the ass. However that said, a company is free to tell their employees no personal effects on company property and dictate what kind of personal effects on company property they can have. If they simply said its against company policy to have personal effects or the flag is too big then this wouldn't be a look and what anti-American scum those people are for telling her to take down the flag.
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I agree wholeheartedly with what you've said, but I don't think that that's what is going on here.

Multiple people complained, and for the record we're talking about a 3' x 5' flag. Any personal decoration that size in an office environment is excessive unless you're talking about a party decoration or perhaps something in a bigwig's corner ofice.

When you get a bunch of complaints about something which is easily resolved in a common-sense manner and you do it, that's not micromanagement, that's good management.
Did they say can have a flag as long as it is within certain dimensions? Or did they take it down because some people found the flag to be offensive? Those are completely different things.
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Did they say can have a flag as long as it is within certain dimensions? Or did they take it down because some people found the flag to be offensive? Those are completely different things.
What I came away with after reading the story was:
  • There were no specific requirements with respect to decoration size
  • The decoration in question was pretty darn big
  • Several people complained about the decoration in question
  • Management decided it should come down, at least in part because of its size
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