danarhea

I don't know the full details, but since target letters have been sent to all 6 Blackwater guards, there is more than smoke here.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

I know several of the details, there is smoke, but it seems to be more political smoke at the expense of people.

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donsutherland1

They were probably seeking economic opportunities that might not have been available in the U.S. Even in such environments as you described, I do not believe it is the women who should be compelled to avoid seeking the assignments in question. Instead, if the men cannot handle such an environment, I believe they should not seek such assignments. Once they engage in abuses/crimes, they should bear complete responsibility for their conduct.

FWIW, I don't believe you were trying to excuse the men or mitigate the seriousness of their conduct. I just wanted to express my position on the issue.

Iriemon

Thanks for you input, though UtahBill has already asserted that I misread the intent of his post.

However, he has declined my request to explain just what his point was, if not how I read it.

Since you have interjected your opinion, please share what you read as being his point in his post. I'll repost it for you:

Thanks.

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UtahBill

when you can read and respond to my posts without trying to label me as something I am not, then I will respond further. It is a point worth making that women who seek jobs in those environments should not go there thinking that it is going to be a walk in the park, unless it is Central Park in the dark.

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rivrrat

Speaking as a woman who worked in formerly predominantly male fields, the fact that they were predominantly male did not weigh into my decision to work in said fields. All that weighed into my decision was my desire to work in said field. My "motivation" for working in said environment was the same as the men's motivation.

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Iriemon

So your point about nymphomaniacs and women accepting the risk of working in a male dominated environment is what?

Cardinal

I am not in the military, never have been and never will be. Also, I wasn't very conscious during the seventies (and that's not a euphemism for "I was on drugs the whole time," it just means I was too young to be aware of anything). So my current understanding, gleaned entirely from tv, movies, news, propaganda, etc. is that there is a rigid disciplinary system in place that harshly prosecutes and punishes lawbreakers in the military. However, if that was not the case during the seventies when UtahBill was in the navy, if it was true of his time that discipline was widely known by both those in the civilian and military sectors to be lax against offense like rape or sexual harassment, then it would make perfect sense to UtahBill that only a woman who was absolutely insane or a nymphomaniac would actually choose to join the military.

UtahBill

Where? what was the field?
Money is a common motivator, fits all of us.
But in a place like Iraq, surely your safety is to be considered? Women are more at risk than men, especially if captured.

UtahBill

I made no "point" about nymphos, just a passing comment. I never said thay should accept the risk, but should be aware of it.
So, like I suspected, you are still attempting to label me as something I am not.