Jijala

Press TV - Israel steps up anti-Iran lobby in US


When will americans wake up to the nefarious Influence the Israel Lobby has on their Governement and Media?

Jijala

Press TV - Barak cheering Bush Iran war agenda

An israeli warmonger comes to Washington, and, surprise surprise, cheers for more misery and destruction in the world. So predictable

GySgt

When are you going to stop obsessing over Israel? The world is full of nations. There are overwhelming displays of genocides and ethnic cleansings going on. Why do people like yourself devote so much time ignoring the evils of people like Mugabe, Ahmad al-Bashir, Kim Jong, Than Shwe, Karimov, King Abdullah and Ali Khamane’i, and instead focus on ways to define Israel as some oppressive brutal terrorizing nation despite the fact that the freest Muslims in the region live in Israel?

By the way...as far as your silly thread topic Ali Khamane’i (listed above) is the head of the 12-man Guardian Council, which has the right to veto any law that the elected government passes based on religious needs. Khamane’i has shut down the free press, tortured journalists and ordered the execution of homosexual males. Also, he is listed as one of the top ten dictators in the world. Should we not be concerned that they seek nuclear capabilities? When the free world seeks to place Iran at an arms length, they do so for more than just because Jews wish it. Perhaps investigating the world situation with a little honesty instead of opting to hate-Israel-first may help you climb out of your spiral.

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Jijala

None of these examples are being cherished by our "civilized" western countries.

And have you ever heard of the NPT ? Do you know what it is good for ? Do you know who is abiding by it, and who doesn't ? Do you know who is threatening to wipe out tens of millions millions of arabs or iranians, and who doesnt ? And do you know what Apartheid is ?

obvious Child

Not true. Kurdistan and Turkey are freer. Muslims are not treated as second class citizens there. Granted, the rest of the Middle East is pretty repressive to everyone aside from maybe Syria as long as you're not an Islamic radical. Aside from their exportation of Islamic radicals as terrorists, Syria is a decent model of secular rights, especially Women's.

Uzbekistan is quite chummy with parts of the West.
BBC NEWS | World | Asia-Pacific | Profile: Islam Karimov

As for King Abdullah, if we're talking about Saudi Arabia, they are obviously chummy with the US. If we're talking about King Abdullah II, Jordan is very chummy with the US.

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Vader

Please go spread your islamic terrorist rhetoric elsewhere.

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GySgt

Ummmmm..... do you know what apartheid is? Does an apartheid give all people the right to vote? Does an apartheid offer all ethnic and religious groups political representation in the government? Would an apartheid have road signs in Arabic and Hebrew? Would an apartheid teach Arabic in their schools? Would an apartheid see a judicial system over throw a court ruling that fingered an Islamic political group within Israel as extremist? Would an apartheid state allow a structure like the "Dome of the Rock" to still stand despite the overwhleming absence of Star of Davids and Crosses in Arab states? I can easily bury you describing what is not an apartheid and then simply trust in your honesty to acknowledge to Israel's environment.

You're running off of emotion and pointless hate. Get over it and acknowledge that those you rally for would cheer at seeing your decapitation by religious extremist groups. So again...I ask you......with all the real genocide and ethnic cleansing orchestrators and oppressive and brutal regimes in the world.....why this obsession with Israel? What is this personal issue of yours that a Mugabe would get none of your rage, but Israel gets exaggeration and hypes?

GySgt

Sigh. Muslims are not freer in Turkey. Kurdish Muslims have been treated harshly and as second class citizens until recently. Muslims in Israel vote and you call them second class citizens? They have representation in government and you call them second class citizens? They have professors in schools and you call them second class citizens? From where have you gained this false claim? None of this was afforded to Kurds in Turkey until recently, but this is only in writing. However, Muslims are quite free in "Kurdistan." I stand corrected here. I should have been clear for those looking to cheer for the other side completely obsessed with seeking out Israeli sin above all else. Turkey and Kurdistan do boast free Muslims (if you're the right kind of Muslim in Turkey). But either of them are thmy the problem -or- what I was thinking about. They do not complain and blame all their woes on Jews. The problem are Arabs. Come to think about it, Arabs had been the problem for Kurds and Turks as well haven't they? No "Arab" state can boast about free Muslims. It is the Arab state (and Iran) that dreams of an Israeli free Middle East. It is the Arab state where Muslims are oppressed most. It is the Arab state that would have to address itself if Israel ever was destroyed and Muslims were faced with the continued misery that Arab states provide. If Arabs want to see what it is to be free then they must look at the Arabs of Israel and Western states. An Arab state won't do.

Jijala

Rather than trying to discuss a subject without prior information, go try out Israel and the apartheid analogy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and then get back here with a couple of facts.

GySgt

Without prior information? You have a lot to learn. I don't entertani the children long on this site, so step up if you want to discuss matters. Thios was a poor source. This merely reports what others have said and doesn't make an argument. Well, let's push to the side that you chose to ignore the descriptions I presented to you and begin with the first sentence of your source, which merely describes what "some" believe...

Obviously, we all know that "some" have used the term. You use it yourself. Maybe it makes you feel better. I don't know. However, dismissing the facts about Israel I presented to you in a hopes that the opinions of "some" doesn't go very far to aid you in your quest. You see, you can accuse Israel of all you want, but when it all comes down to it, your accusations do not meet the reality of what Israel is. Usually, the "some" who use this term are merely grinding an axe or practicing a form af anti-Zionism. Next you weill be likening them to the Nazis. But let's continue with your source......

You mean that Israel wasn't an "apartheid" according to Palestinians until the world was focusing on apartheid with South Africa? They were OK before that? How convenient. Have you noticed that whenever somehting in the world is getting focus, Palesintinas seek a way to compare their misery to it for the same attention? Some would call this childish. Of course, Palestinians usually stray very far from acknowledgeing how much better Muslims are treated in Israel than they are in the entire Arab Middle East. If Israel is an "apartheid," then what is the Arab Middle East where they are oppressed and abused? Oh, but this doesn't allow you to bash Israel, which is the obtuse sophomoric goal here. Let's continue with the most lazy and snobbish people on earth....

Hmmm..even the French seem to think differently about lessening what blacks in South Africa went through by lending the term to Palestinians who are simply looking for attention during a 60 year temper tantrum.



Now, since we have looked at your source and described it as merely describing what others have stated.....let's look at the reality in Israel and match apartheid to it. It simply doesn't work. What we have is an Israeli side (full of Muslims that celebrate equal rights along Jews) and a Palestinian side that spirals into misery year after year squandering the worlds charity in a hopes that they can turn back the clock. Israelis don't seperate themselves from Palesitnians because they are Palestinians. They seperate themselves because Palestinians are violent and they seek ways to sooth their fanaticism, while continually enangering those Palestinians who have been prepared to move on for years and years. Palesitnians have had every chance to be successful. Instead they have chosen to die as failures, despite what the world, to include Israel, has tried to do for them.

Now, why don't you use some of that honesty, which I'm trusting you have, and try to acknowledge the accurate description I layed out for you in the last post before you closed your eyes, covered your ears, and behaved stubbornly. Notice how your source stated nothing about what I described for you? Such descriptions doesn't quite meet the term of apartheid so why would it?