DeeJayH

well i know if Bush made this post, it would be called 'using fear tactics for political gain'

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WI Crippler

I think people are expecting it. What is interesting is that there is much more international support, for tough actions with Iran than there were for Iraq. Ahmedinajad has not exactly endeared himself to the EU, IAEA, or the UN. If it was an international campaign waged against Iran, I wonder if people that are so opposed to the Iraq war, would be opposed to one with Iran. Undoubtedly it would be led, yet again, by the bulk of the military power being supplied by the US. But if it were "sanctioned" by the UN, I wonder if this changes peoples minds.

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TacticalEvilDan

I wouldn't.

We won't be dealing with terrorists, IEDs, and a national military which essentially dissolves into thin air.

Iran has modern weapons systems.

Iran has a navy, which includes submarines.

Iran has missiles.

Iran has mines.

Iran can close off mid-east oil to the world by sinking a few ships and dropping an assload of mines, then inflict massive casualties to our forces while we try to re-open the gates.

The price of oil will skyrocket. Economies will collapse.

Then the real fun begins. This time, there would be a draft.


Bush has proven his ineptitude already. I can't begin to imagine how bad it would get if he took us to war against an organized military which fights back.


I realize that folks are a bit skeptical about all this, but the government of Iran has reacted to these resolutions in a way which should have all of you concerned.

They are referring to them as war resolutions. They are making a show of getting ready militarily for an invasion.

This is not good.

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scourge99

Iraq had a more modern military over Iran. I remember Iraq kicking Iran's ass during their conflict and Iran only being saved by sending in waves of conscripts that were slaughtered.

Well thank god we get most of ours from Canada and Mexico then don't it.

Assuming that we even choose to try go it alone and occupy them.

The proliferation of nuclear weapons is a future much more scary and hopeless than any conflict with Iran that I can imagine. Nonetheless, lets make sure the intel is right this time and try to get a few more apathetic Euros to help out.

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Simon W. Moon

Do you also remember Gulf War I where its military and military equipment were destroyed en masse? And the long period where Iraq was restricted in its ability to import military items?

Have you ever heard about how the price for oil is set? It's a 'global' market. That means whoever in the whole world is willing to pay the most for the petro is who will get the petro products w/o any regard as to where it comes from. Canada and Mexico aren't going to keep their prices stable and refuse to sell to Europe and China. That oil will go to the highest bidder just as it does now. The big difference will be that the supply of crude will be drastically smaller.
And of course, when the supply of a necessity decreases drastically while the demand remains the same, the prices for that commodity _______.

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RightinNYC

http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1057622700 (White House denies Iran attack report)

And now we've got one more to add to the list. Lovely.

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scourge99

I don't remember the 1st Gulf war being very challenging either, even on such short notice. Not to say Iran is a guaranteed pushover.

But the oil will not magically disappear. Higher oil prices is a small price to pay to avoid nuclear proliferation.

Simon W. Moon

There are already food riots brought about by the current high price of oil. More food riots world wide are just a small fraction of the impact.

note that proliferation does not mean nuclear war

it also means that every other option needs to be very thoroughly explored before military action. and no we are not at that point yet

scourge99

As opposed to nuclear exchanges between countries and stateless groups with nuclear terror capabilities.

Likewise, a confrontation with Iran does not guarantee high oil prices or less chance for alternative fuel.

I don't disagree. But its near impossible to have a country "un-make" its nuclear arsenal and/or dispose of it properly. You can't un-ring the bell.

DeeJayH

since when are food riots the bad guy?
i thought the planet was over populated?
isnt this a wonderful thing to happen?
many will die in the strategic strikes/war = less population pollutingg this poor planet and less people using its resources

Futures so bright, I gotta wear shades