The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder - Page 5

Chanda · 06-22-08, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

......nobody is denying that the school is accredited by the NEASC. What we're trying to point out to you is that that is completely unrelated to the fact that no lawyer on earth would consider that an "accredited law school" because it is not accredited by the ABA, the organization that accredits the other 190+ law schools in this country.

That is probably true of ABA-accredited law school alums, because ABA has long been criticized as an elitist and exclusionary institution. However, it is not literally accurate. There are 3 general categories of accreditation: ABA accreditation, state accreditation, and non-accredited. There is no category for "truly accredited." MSL is both state accredited and accredited by NEASC, so how could it be considered non-accredited? When you say, "ABA, the organization that accredits the other 190+ law schools in this country," it sounds like you're saying MSL is the only law school that isn't ABA accredited.

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Say that Monday morning I decided to open the Right I. NYC School of Law. If the ABA declines to accredit my school, does that mean I can just get some other organization to accredit it and then consider my school to be on the same level as every other law school out there?

Accreditation means ""to recognize (an educational institution) as maintaining standards..." (Merriam-Webster) It does not mean "having the blessing of ABA." Obviously, ABA is the preferred accreditation, but being ABA accredited does not necessarily make a law school superior to others. Again, "...and then consider my school to be on the same level as every other law school out there", sounds as if you think MSL is the only non-ABA accredited law school "out there."

In spite of lacking ABA accreditation, MSL is a respected law school. Wall Street Journal dubbed it "the little law school that could. “The National Jurist” has called Dean Lawrence Velvel “a modern day crusader” and “one of the most influential people in legal education over the past 15 years.”

RightinNYC · 06-22-08, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

That is probably true of ABA-accredited law school alums, because ABA has long been criticized as an elitist and exclusionary institution. However, it is not literally accurate. There are 3 general categories of accreditation: ABA accreditation, state accreditation, and non-accredited. There is no category for "truly accredited." MSL is both state accredited and accredited by NEASC, so how could it be considered non-accredited?

This is not a difficult concept. If you went up to any lawyer ever, anywhere, and asked them if this was an "accredited law school," they would say no. I don't know how else I can explain this to you.

Let's say I wanted to be a baseball player but wasn't good enough to make the majors. If I go out and create my own "Major League" with my friends and then have a championship at the end of the season that I call a "World Series," does that really mean that I'm on par with Derek Jeter?

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When you say, "ABA, the organization that accredits the other 190+ law schools in this country," it sounds like you're saying MSL is the only law school that isn't ABA accredited.

The only organization that is authorized to nationally accredit law schools is the ABA. Period.

And no, this school isn't the only one - I'm sure there are other ****ty correspondence and online law schools. Doesn't mean anyone would consider them accredited either.

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Accreditation means ""to recognize (an educational institution) as maintaining standards..." (Merriam-Webster) It does not mean "having the blessing of ABA." Obviously, ABA is the preferred accreditation, but being ABA accredited does not necessarily make a law school superior to others.

Yes, it absolutely does. I can't believe I have to explain this.

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Again, "...and then consider my school to be on the same level as every other law school out there", sounds as if you think MSL is the only non-ABA accredited law school "out there."

I'm sorry that you read what I said and came to that faulty conclusion.

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In spite of lacking ABA accreditation, MSL is a respected law school.

No, I can actually guarantee you that it's not. I had literally never heard of it until this thread, and I very much doubt that many people other than its graduates have either. It's prestigious history stretches all the way back to its founding in 1988.

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Wall Street Journal dubbed it "the little law school that could.

lololol a ringing endorsement if there ever was one.

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“The National Jurist” has called Dean Lawrence Velvel “a modern day crusader” and “one of the most influential people in legal education over the past 15 years.”

Oh, well, ****. In that case, I take back everything I said.

Tashah · 06-22-08, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RightinNYC

This is not a difficult concept. I can't believe I have to explain this.

I can only conclude that she is being deliberately obtuse and argumentative. Everyone else understands the concept of what constitutes viable credentials in the realm of the American barrister.

TurtleDude · 06-23-08, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Eager Believer

Bush should be executed for treason for misrepresenting evidence to get us into the Iraq war. He should not be exempt from the death penalty just because he's retarded.

The method of execution should be gorilla buttrape.

I am sure that the secret service finds this BS amusing. Why don't you try to carry out the sentence? we will read about the agents blowing you away if you try

TurtleDude · 06-23-08, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

It is fully accredited by the New England Association of Schools and Colleges.

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It must be for people who are turned down at

Harvard
Boston University
Boston College
Suffolk Law School
New England School of law
NE University school of Law

TurtleDude · 06-23-08, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chanda

Thanks, I get that, but you didn't explain why sources say the Massachusetts School of Law in Andover is accredited by NEASC if ABA is the only authority that can accredit law schools. Law schools can be state accredited also.

CHEA Database of Institutions Accredited By Recognized U.S. Accrediting Organizations

In some states you cannot sit for the bar unless you graduate from an ABA accredited Law School. In Kalifornia you don't need to so there are unaccredited law schools-indeed you can sit for the bar with no LlB or JD degree

RightinNYC · 06-23-08, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleDude

It must be for people who are turned down at

Harvard
Boston University
Boston College
Suffolk Law School
New England School of law
NE University school of Law

You forgot Western New England College of Law.

TurtleDude · 06-24-08, 07:42 AM

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You forgot Western New England College of Law.

Yeah I did but I knew all the ones I listed without looking them up-and all are better schools than the one in question.

American · 06-24-08, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J. Eager Believer

Bush should be executed for treason for misrepresenting evidence to get us into the Iraq war. He should not be exempt from the death penalty just because he's retarded.

The method of execution should be gorilla buttrape.

You sound like the word of experience.

Doc Howl · 06-25-08, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleDude

I am sure that the secret service finds this BS amusing.

You should turn him in. The president will probably give you a gold star and a pat on the head.