The GITMO Bomber

Billo_Really · 05-07-08, 09:29 PM

A former GITMO detainee has apparently become the latest suicide bomber in Iraq. I'm just wondering what the hell our tax dollars are paying for. Here we have someone who was clearly a threat and was released on bail. He was charged with trying to raise money for al Qaeda, but Christ, why do we lock up innocent people handed over to us far from the battlefield and let out someone who, for all intensive purposes, should be behind bars?

I don't know!

Are the neo's right about detaining people?

Or did this guy just want to get even because of his treatment?

Or what are doing saving Kuwaiti's like this guy?

I just don't know what to think about this...

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US: Ex-Gitmo prisoner in recent attack
US confirms former Guantanamo prisoner carried out April suicide attack in Iraq
By BEN FOX Associated Press Writer

A Kuwaiti freed from Guantanamo Bay carried out a suicide car bombing recently in Iraq, the U.S. military said Wednesday, confirming what is believed to be the first such attack by a former detainee at the U.S. military detention center in Cuba.

PeteEU · 05-08-08, 08:32 AM

Well... first off..

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the U.S. military said

Okay already here the credibility issue starts to poke up. The US military, who basicly runs GITMO and has been for years defending and finding ways to justify this wanna be gulag.

And oponents to Gitmo (me included) could easily claim that this guys experience at Gitmo drove him to doing this deed if true, which as stated, is iffy at best.

Torture (mental espcially), isolation, not knowing if you are gonna be alive tomorrow has a tendency to drive people insane after all.

But saying that.. this is 1 out of 600+ people ... so it would be justified to keep 600+ people imprisioned if one of these might one day go blow himself up ?.. thats like saying rather imprison 5 non guilty people just so we can get that 1 guilty person in jail.. its WRONG.

But on a moral stand point, Gitmo is and has been against all principles of the society that we are supposedly defending.

Harshaw · 05-08-08, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Well... first off..

Okay already here the credibility issue starts to poke up. The US military, who basicly runs GITMO and has been for years defending and finding ways to justify this wanna be gulag.

And oponents to Gitmo (me included) could easily claim that this guys experience at Gitmo drove him to doing this deed if true, which as stated, is iffy at best.

Torture (mental espcially), isolation, not knowing if you are gonna be alive tomorrow has a tendency to drive people insane after all.

But saying that.. this is 1 out of 600+ people ... so it would be justified to keep 600+ people imprisioned if one of these might one day go blow himself up ?.. thats like saying rather imprison 5 non guilty people just so we can get that 1 guilty person in jail.. its WRONG.

But on a moral stand point, Gitmo is and has been against all principles of the society that we are supposedly defending.

Really.

Give specific, documented examples of torture or inhumane treatment at Gitmo, which violate the Geneva conventions or other internationally-accepted standards of treatment for combatant prisoners.

If it's a "wanna be gulag," it shouldn't be so tough. So let's see it. Especially examples of things which could drive a simple, peace-loving man to madness and murder.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 05-08-08, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PeteEU

Well... first off..

Okay already here the credibility issue starts to poke up. The US military, who basicly runs GITMO and has been for years defending and finding ways to justify this wanna be gulag.

And oponents to Gitmo (me included) could easily claim that this guys experience at Gitmo drove him to doing this deed if true, which as stated, is iffy at best.

Torture (mental espcially), isolation, not knowing if you are gonna be alive tomorrow has a tendency to drive people insane after all.

But saying that.. this is 1 out of 600+ people ... so it would be justified to keep 600+ people imprisioned if one of these might one day go blow himself up ?.. thats like saying rather imprison 5 non guilty people just so we can get that 1 guilty person in jail.. its WRONG.

But on a moral stand point, Gitmo is and has been against all principles of the society that we are supposedly defending.

funny how some believe the terrorists over the US military. No wait, that is not funny at all.

Fact is this is what happens when you let war captured be released before the end of the conflict. Liberals never learn.

independent_thinker2002 · 05-08-08, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

funny how some believe the terrorists over the US military. No wait, that is not funny at all.

Fact is this is what happens when you let war captured be released before the end of the conflict. Liberals never learn.

Our government/military don't have a very good track record regarding honesty. See "We don't torture."

Reverend_Hellh0und · 05-08-08, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

Our government/military don't have a very good track record regarding honesty. See "We don't torture."

Right so you admit to believing what terrorists and Islamic-fascists say over the US military.

That is your position?

independent_thinker2002 · 05-08-08, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Right so you admit to believing what terrorists and Islamic-fascists say over the US military.

That is your position?

No, I don't believe either at face value. It's called critical thinking.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 05-08-08, 10:19 AM

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No, I don't believe either at face value. It's called critical thinking.

So do you believe that the .mil had a reason to pick this guy up for being a savage or do you think we turned him into one?

independent_thinker2002 · 05-08-08, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

So do you believe that the .mil had a reason to pick this guy up for being a savage or do you think we turned him into one?

Good question. Both are possible. I don't know.

I do know that 775,000 people are on the no fly list. I don't think that they are all terrorists. Especially Nelson Mandella.

Reverend_Hellh0und · 05-08-08, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

Good question. Both are possible. I don't know.

So would it be fair to say that you trust the terrorist savages as much as you trust the US military?

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I do know that 775,000 people are on the no fly list. I don't think that they are all terrorists. Especially Nelson Mandella.

Strawman.