Sergeant Stinger1

I wonder if bushie boys bathroom looks like these?
Most likely it was brought to bushies attention and that gave him something else to laugh about our Troops.
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I heard someone saw bush in a bathroom once but they didn't get to see much.
Heres what they saw while bushie boy was taking a **** and was reading about how bad our Troops bathrooms were like:

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missypea

I don't think you're being genuine WI. What's up with playing dumb? If that's not the case, then I apologize, but I've seen other posts from you so frankly this response has me scratching my head.

In any case, let me make it perfectly clear....I never said I was offended by the term "support our troops". I'm offended that this administration used patriotic blackmail and deceit to fit their agenda.

Now ANOTHER layer has been peeled off to show that supporting our troops is just a slogan to them. If we were supporting our troops they wouldn't be living in mold and sewage while living at Fort Bragg. They wouldn't be denied education benefits. They would have health care that responded to every need. The suicide rate would be going down instead of up......

How you ever got the idea that I was talking about a bumper sticker is mind boggling.

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WI Crippler

I took it to mean you found the slogan "Support the troops" as being disingenuous and somewhat offensive. So if there is a miscommunication there I apologize.

However, this "extra layer" you feel is being peeled back, is not one that is exclusive to this administration. It has existed, in some form I imagine, since the inception of the US military. You talk about the substandard health care we received, well guess what, thats government run. Why are you at all shocked by its inefficiency?

I have no qualms with people protesting the war, or hating the administration. I support the war, but there are things about it I dislike, and actions/inactions by the administration that I disagree with. However, when protesting, one should be clear about what they are protesting, and not just trying to find more reasons to protest. This is an instance where an ongoing issue that has existed for years, gets thrown on this administrations lap exclusively, when it is not exclusively this administrations fault. Do they share some blame? Sure they've been in charge and had time to rectify things. But why the anger about it now? Why the media portrayals now? Where were they 10-15-20 years ago? There were crappy barracks back then too. The answer is that nobody cared enough to raise the issue, until they found someone to protest. This isn't about the well being of our troops. I am not fooled. This is about protesting this administration. If it was about the well being of our troops, the stories would have broke long ago.

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WI Crippler

You got sources for GWB responding with "Support the troops" to those incidents?

Kali

We should really take the best care with our Troops. There is no excuse for this because we can spend all this money to help people who hate us but we treat our troops like rats? Something is very wrong with this picture.

GySgt

Oh, you know it's easy to blame a face than a system.

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GySgt

Well, you were doing good until you tried to place singular blame. The barracks situation is worse in some places and better in others. Allow me.....


The "screwing over of the troop" has been a tradition for some time. And the reason it has been such an ignored occurrence is because civilians (to include almost every single politician in Washington) can't tell the difference between the military and the defense industry.

You see, Democrats will preach and rejoice over the misleading black and white numbers that show the dollar amount President Clinton gave to the military without any consideration (or care?) as to where that money went to. While the Defense Industry was given new life to continue Cold War Programs that were meant to fight the Soviet Union, the troop was drawing gear from his supply that his father wore in Vietnam. While the F-22 was given billions of dollars just to make it an F"A"-22 in order to legitimize it's continuing program, the troops were dying because their CH-46's that were flown in Vietnam were falling out of the sky. The barracks were becoming slums, our week of rifle range qual was stripped to a day because of ammo depletions, and the military of our allies were passing us up in troop technology (French "Felin" System). In the end, the budget got balanced and the military suffered, but the DEFENSE INDUSTRY didn't miss a step.

Now, flash forward to September 11, 2001 where low problems would begin to get fixed, but the ignorance persists. In the immediate aftermath, troops deployed to destroy the Tali-Ban wearing the same duece gear his father wore in Vietnam still. The barracks from where he deployed from were already deplorable. However, with the public's typical sentiment of choosing to care about the military when they need it to kill someone for them, the funds began to role in. Our Vietnam era equipment began to be refitted for modern warfare. Our "deadlined" vehicles started seeing the parts they were waiting for for so long. We began to see our weapons get an upgrade (we went from the M16A2 to the M16A4). The Marine Corps finally got the funding it needed to upgrade their rusty Vietnam era helicopters to the new Osprey Program that will carry troops far in to the future. But because we were so damaged throughout the 90's, the civilian and political public still saw us deploy as a rag tag military in 2003 into Iraq (duct tape on Army NBC suits). Civilians began using our absent body armor as a politicial tool to strike out against an administration they didn't approve of. Of course, seeing as how our police force in America have been wearing bullet proof vests for quite some time and throughout President Clinton's era, the timing for the criticism of our absent military bullet proof vests was obvious. But with this administration's efforts to get us our SAPI Plates as quickly as possible, short cuts were made, which made it a longer wait for many troops. Some bought their own. But you know what didn't suffer? The DEFENSE INDUSTRY!! Cold War Programs continued (and continue) to receive ridiculous funding. And do you know why our civilian companies care more about a Navy Nuclear Sub contracts that merely fatten what we already have or an Air Force Refeuler upgrade that was upgraded four years prior? Because there is no money to be made in body armor. In other words, they see no need to invest in the troop....only toys that they don't need. And do you know why our politicians continue to give them the thumbs up and approve this spending towards these contracts? Because they are stupid and can't tell the difference between investing in the troop who will physically protect them and investing in the defense industry that merely builds unnecessary toys that are too expensive to risk in a fight (FA-22).

And with all of this going on, the barracks is forgotten. When you see the gross Defense Bill that runs through Congress every year, know that a great portion of that is not for the troop. Toilet seats will be broken, holes will remain in walls, and paint will be chipped. The military will spend what money it does receive on ammo, gear, and repair parts. Contracts will be issud to keep the troop as comfortable as possible via Chow Halls, Barracks, and off duty Recreational Equipment.

But in the end and as the military struggles, the Defense Industry will receive their exaggerated funding to produce weapons we don't need that do little for us as compared to cheaper equipment we already have that supports us far greater. (A10 vs. FA-22)

GySgt

I think what he was getting at was how your opinion about the situation seems convenient to another opinion you hold for this administration. The facts about what you are expressing here go beyond today's administration. But, if one were to be fair, one should acknowledge that though the Defense Industry continues to receive the bulk of Defense spending and not the military, at no time in history has the military seen such improvement in equipment and living quarters so fast as over the last seven years. (I can give you plenty of examples).

danarhea

The officer in charge should make the CEO of Halliburton get down and give him 50.