| US Political Scandal Du Jour obama- 0.7% of the GNP goes to the UN; Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
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Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat Why Does anyone disagree with that premise? Does anyone disagree with the premise that a major priority of U.S. foreign policy should be to reduce global poverty and eliminate extreme poverty? | Yes, I disagree with your premise. The purpose of the US foreign policy should be to avoid entangling foreign and international alliances and treaties, to avoid being drawn into foreign wars and on the positive side, to promote legitimate US national interests defined narrowly and constitutionally.
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Lean: Independent Gender:  Awards: | Re: obama- 0.7% of the GNP goes to the UN I have no problems handing out foreign aid, or sending our forces anywhere in the world. Wherever there is help needed, I have no issue helping.
However, thats for us to decide, and we can give our aid to whomever we feel is worthy of it, rather than having it redistributed by the UN.
I say skip the middleman. We don't need them.
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Originally Posted by WI Crippler I have no problems handing out foreign aid, or sending our forces anywhere in the world. Wherever there is help needed, I have no issue helping.
However, thats for us to decide, and we can give our aid to whomever we feel is worthy of it, rather than having it redistributed by the UN.
I say skip the middleman. We don't need them. | The UN is corrupt and looks down on us like we're beneath them, until they need us and our money...
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Current Mood: | Re: obama- 0.7% of the GNP goes to the UN I don't like the idea of foreign aid for the sake of foreign aid becoming a priority in our foreign policy. The first (and in my mind really only) priority of our foreign policy should be to further America's interests for the benefit of American citizens. And yes, I do recognize that sometimes that may mean giving aid to a region that is important to us either due to proximity (Latin America say), strategic interests (currently the Middle East), or some other economic ties/interests.
When it makes sense and is in our self interest, by all means go ahead and do so, but the United States is not a global charity handing out freebies for all. As to the UN, I'd rather do it ourselves and cut out the corrupt, inept middleman.
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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 But we have the highest national debt in the world. NAtional Debt US Budget
Our budget and debt has been so destroyed, we need the G-8 to give aid to us! | We have a per-capita GDP of over 40k. We are helping nations with per-capita GDPs of less than 1k.
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Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat Of course, as a side note, if anyone is that concerned over the money, in terms of a percentage of GNP, we have the second smallest foreign aid budget in the developed world. Of course, because we are such a rich nation, the dollar amount is higher, but as a percentage of GNP, its tiny (we rank 21st in that regard). | That just makes me sick to my stomach.
We are so greedy and self absorbed as a people, its a wonder we made it this far.
For just a small fraction of what the Iraqi Invasion cost us we could have ended starvation on a global level.
Instead we focus on spreading democracy on the end of a gun.
If America is indeed this "Global Empire" as the war mongers like to call us now, then we are failing pretty bad at feeding the people of our planetary empire. |
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Lean: Independent Gender:  Awards: | Re: obama- 0.7% of the GNP goes to the UN I'm sure everybody has heard the phrase, if you give a starving man a fish, you feed him for a meal. If you teach him how to fish, you feed him for life.
This is the direction I feel we need to take with regards to foreign aid. |
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Originally Posted by hackster take care of our affairs... quit being the world's "decider". especially with MY tax money. | I'm not sure you are aware of the fact that foreign affairs directly affect you, every day. Foreign affairs ARE your affairs, they are mine as well.
U.S. exports, imports, and currently our military, all are aimed at being investments in our long term prosperity. Look at how much of the U.S. is foreign owned, and what imports, exports, and security/military ties are necessary to maintain our GDP.
I'm a little concerned by your statement because it seems you oppose Obama, but Obama supports your notion that the U.S. should not have "decided" for Iraq that it needed to be bombed and occupied with tax payer money. Is it a love/hate relationship?
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Originally Posted by John1234 For just a small fraction of what the Iraqi Invasion cost us we could have ended starvation on a global level.
. | I tend to doubt that starvation can be ended for the long term. Even if we can do it short term, they will just produce more babies that will starve when the rainy season fails again and they can't grow crops. And there will always be some place in a long term drought, or war, or with a powerful few with weapons taking all the food for themsleves. The excess food crops that we send to Africa don't always get to those who need it. We can't make other governments feed their people if they don't want to. We can't control the climate, we can't make poor soil fertile, and we can't undo the loss of fish in the oceans. In short, we can't change the entire world. 
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originally posted by Mach: I'm a little concerned by your statement because it seems you oppose Obama, but Obama supports your notion that the U.S. should not have "decided" for Iraq that it needed to be bombed and occupied with tax payer money. Is it a love/hate relationship?
| for obama... "love/hate"?... no, TOTAL dislike.
there is a HUGE gap between being a "liberal" and being a "libertarian/constitutionalist"... just because they both opposed the war, does not the same make them. |
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