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Hillary Clinton’s emails reveal evidence that George W. Bush committed treason

Henry David said:
You offer no proof of anything. You offer some sort of silly hypothetical, nothing more.
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Since you are so terrible at faking it maybe you should try actually reading what others provide to you? What is "hypothetical" about the NYT documentary?
 
Henry David said:
Sure, I'll bite. Considering that Colin Powell hand-carried a US government check for about $43million to the Taliban in April 2001, with hand-shaking and photos and all that, what suddenly made them "a threat" to the US?

I'll play, but I won't hold my breath waiting for an answer. ;)
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That was before 911. After 911 happened, the Taliban decided to protect bin Laden, which meant going to war in Afghanistan. While I was against the Iraq war, the Afghan war was a good call by Bush. Problem is, we attempted to do a makeover, and make Afghanistan an American client state. We should have just gone in, taken bin Laden and his cohorts out, carpet bombed all the bases, then gotten out. That would have accomplished our goal, while reminding our enemies that America is not to be messed with if they wish to live.
 
pbrauer said:
Here is one of the emails from the Daily Mail site
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Dude, really?

All that e-mail says is that our wing man is there if we go. That he has seen the evidence and also believes it is justified.

Stop the B/S man, just stop.
 
jmotivator said:
Sigh.
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Does being intellectually dishonest make you sigh? Those were degraded stockpiles leftover from the old Iran / Iraq war. Many of which had already been inventoried by inspectors prior to the war. They were not a threat to the United States.

"The discovery of old, degraded chemical munitions in Iraq is not news. The Bush administration went to war expecting to find older weapons, along with a thriving new chemical weapons program (that didn’t exist). Ten years ago, the final report of the weapons inspectors sent to find Saddam Hussein’s WMDs (commonly known as the Duelfer Report) was released, and it noted that “a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered” in the country, but that Iraq had not produced any new weapons."

No, Bush was not right about Iraq: How conservatives misread new Times bombshell - Salon.com


Also...

For those who believe that the war in Iraq was based on a lie, I offer you the one simple proof that no such conspiracy existed: If the evil cabal actually existed and the intelligence regarding WMDs were a fiction created to dupe people into the war then WMDs would have been found in Iraq early on and presented to the inbed news cameras as justification.
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It will probably come out 40 years from now (once its all declassified) that the Bush Administration obviously hyped the case for war and at times knowingly mislead. However, as I will nearly 80 by then, and his presidency is widely regarded as a failure from start to finish already, I doubt I will care at that point anyway.
 
Middleground said:
This is indeed juicy and without a doubt, corroborates the Downing Street Memo and others facts. What still puzzles me is why did the Bush Administration and Blair decide to go after Iraq, well before 9-11 (which eventually proved to be their ticket)? What exactly was it about Iraq that they wanted?
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U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

550 Metric tons of Yellow cake hauled out of Iraq in 2008.

It wasn't hauled out and delivered to the Cake Boss that's for sure.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Does being intellectually dishonest make you sigh? Those were degraded stockpiles leftover from the old Iran / Iraq war. Many of which had already been inventoried by inspectors prior to the war. They were not a threat to the United States.

"The discovery of old, degraded chemical munitions in Iraq is not news. The Bush administration went to war expecting to find older weapons, along with a thriving new chemical weapons program (that didn’t exist). Ten years ago, the final report of the weapons inspectors sent to find Saddam Hussein’s WMDs (commonly known as the Duelfer Report) was released, and it noted that “a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered” in the country, but that Iraq had not produced any new weapons."

No, Bush was not right about Iraq: How conservatives misread new Times bombshell - Salon.com
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Hah! So what you are saying that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq and to prove that you show ... WMDs in Iraq that Bush knew were there before the invasion of Iraq? I think you need a refresher in how to make a point. :roll:

Salon is the one doing the spinning. The NYT documentary interviewed soldiers who actually suffered from exposure to active mustard and nerve agents.

It will probably come out 40 years from now (once its all declassified) that the Bush Administration obviously hyped the case for war and at times knowingly mislead. However, as I will nearly 80 by then, and his presidency is widely regarded as a failure from start to finish already, I doubt I will care at that point anyway.
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Spin spin spin!
 
I expect a lot of rumor leading up to Thursday's hearing. Biden's in. Gowdy's lying. It's a partisan political witch hunt. That's a lot of hyperventilating. What if the hearing is a dud? What if Hillary comes out of it looking terrible? We could just wait for the hearing to occur and then make up a lot of stuff. That's the truly mature approach to making crap up.
 
jmotivator said:
Hah! So what you are saying that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq and to prove that you show ... WMDs in Iraq that Bush knew were there before the invasion of Iraq? I think you need a refresher in how to make a point. :roll:

Salon is the one doing the spinning. The NYT documentary interviewed soldiers who actually suffered from exposure to active mustard and nerve agents.



Spin spin spin!
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OK, so its your contention we went to war in Iraq, lost thousands of lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and spent trillions of dollars because of some old and degraded chemical munitions left over from the old Iran / Iraq War back in the 80s. Got it.
 
humbolt said:
I expect a lot of rumor leading up to Thursday's hearing. Biden's in. Gowdy's lying. It's a partisan political witch hunt. That's a lot of hyperventilating. What if the hearing is a dud? What if Hillary comes out of it looking terrible? We could just wait for the hearing to occur and then make up a lot of stuff. That's the truly mature approach to making crap up.
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Totally agree.
I'm going to start on my list of observations tonight but I'll wait to post them until after the testimony and, here's the important part, through journalistic sleight of hand I'll connect them to things that were actually spoken in the hearing.
I've heard good things about that journalistic slight of hand stuff from, coincidentally, communication between Hillary and one of her biggest fans who runs a website.
I've said too much already.
 
bubbabgone said:
Totally agree.
I'm going to start on my list of observations tonight but I'll wait to post them until after the testimony and, here's the important part, through journalistic sleight of hand I'll connect them to things that were actually spoken in the hearing.
I've heard good things about that journalistic slight of hand stuff from, coincidentally, communication between Hillary and one of her biggest fans who runs a website.
I've said too much already.
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I predict that Hillary won't bring her "cackle" with her.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
OK, so its your contention we went to war in Iraq, lost thousands of lives, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and spent trillions of dollars because of some old and degraded chemical munitions left over from the old Iran / Iraq War back in the 80s. Got it.
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No, we went to war because the lunatic thug in Iraq made every effort to thwart inspection efforts he had agreed to as part of a cease fire and fired on no-fly-zone aircraft during the cease fire (for starters). The reaction in Iraq was a follow on to our misjudgment on Afghanistan leading up to 9/11. When Bush laid out his justification for Iraq it was specifically that such a miscalculation with Saddam would be catastrophic. This is why Bush gave Saddam a 2 days to leave peacefully and allow unfettered inspections as ordered by the ceasefire he signed, he argued that we didn't know if the threat would come in 1 year or 5, but he wasn't willing to wait and react, like we did with Afghanistan.

As for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who died, most were not civilians, and Iraqis weren't any safer living under the murderous dictator Hussein and his lunatic sons.
 
jmotivator said:
Hah! So what you are saying that Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq and to prove that you show ... WMDs in Iraq that Bush knew were there before the invasion of Iraq? I think you need a refresher in how to make a point. :roll:

Spin spin spin!
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No WMDs were found in Iraq. You're quite the spin master.
 
bubbabgone said:
She might trot it out when Elijah & the Gang toss her softballs.
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I fully expect Cummings to be as disruptive as he can be. Good thing I'm not running that show. I'd have his ass removed at the first disruption and create a whole new controversy. I'm good about those kinds of things.
 
jmotivator said:
Sigh.

Also...

For those who believe that the war in Iraq was based on a lie, I offer you the one simple proof that no such conspiracy existed: If the evil cabal actually existed and the intelligence regarding WMDs were a fiction created to dupe people into the war then WMDs would have been found in Iraq early on and presented to the inbed news cameras as justification.
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I know we found some WMDs, we did not find any that Saddam knew about and that we did not.

And, actually, President Bush 2 was told to go in front of cameras near some WMDs in a radiation suit but had too much integrity to give in to that influence.
 
Absentglare said:
I know we found some WMDs, we did not find any that Saddam knew about and that we did not.
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You claim that but you have no idea what Saddam knew and didn't know.

And, actually, President Bush 2 was told to go in front of cameras near some WMDs in a radiation suit but had too much integrity to give in to that influence.
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Like I said, if the intention was to fabricate a WMD story (which the world had assumed for over a decade) then they would have rolled out the WMDs. They didn't.
 
jmotivator said:
You claim that but you have no idea what Saddam knew and didn't know.

Like I said, if the intention was to fabricate a WMD story (which the world had assumed for over a decade) then they would have rolled out the WMDs. They didn't.
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We know. Read that the intercept article.

You give Cheney too much credit. He was counting on the ignorance and gullibility of the American public.

Or read any one of these (i really like the Atlantic):


Spies, Lies, and Weapons: What Went Wrong - The Atlantic

Why Did We Invade Iraq? - The Atlantic

Remembering Why Americans Loathe Dick Cheney - The Atlantic
 
Absentglare said:
Here read this one to find out the truth about your WMDs:

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/10...s-media-still-cant-get-iraqi-wmd-story-right/
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And?

"But to locate all of Iraq’s old chemical ordnance was an impossible task. As Duelfer’s report predicted in 2004, the U.S. would continue to find chemical shells — not because the Saddam Hussein regime had been hiding them, but because they had been “abandoned, forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war [since] tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward deployed along the frequently and rapidly shifting battle lines.”

Again, none of this says that Iraq didn't have WMDs, or that they would be unable to locate WMDs in their stockpiles should the desire arise. Nobody claimed that there would be a military arsenal of ICBM WMDs that would be launched at the US. The attacks with these WMDs would be small and targeted.

Remember that the concern was not that Iraq would use these weapons directly, but through surrogates, and having an arsenal interspersed with untracked WMDs or a well managed stockpile is equally dangerous.
 
Absentglare said:
We know. Read that the intercept article.

You give Cheney too much credit. He was counting on the ignorance and gullibility of the American public.

Or read any one of these (i really like the Atlantic):


Spies, Lies, and Weapons: What Went Wrong - The Atlantic

Why Did We Invade Iraq? - The Atlantic

Remembering Why Americans Loathe Dick Cheney - The Atlantic
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Yes, yes, this has been debated ad naseum. I'm sure you love the Atlantic because it says what you like to hear.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-c...t-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion

5 Reasons the Iraq War Was Not a Mistake - Breitbart

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/02/iraq-had-wmds-after-all.php

See? I like these articles.
 
pbrauer said:
Here is one of the emails from the Daily Mail site:

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This was found on Hillary's server? Did you read the bottom and top of the page? Secret/noforn? Oh yeah, no classified data on Hillary's server, noooooo. Thanks for confirming that, and that there is no smoking gun in the memo either.

My irony meter on treason just blew up.
 
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