Live vote: Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? - Page 2

bhkad · 09-09-07, 08:06 PM

Just because your 'Perry Masonite' brains may want there to be legal justification doesn't mean there will suddenly be any justification after the several other impeachment erections petered out the past few years.

If you guys actually followed the news you would realize that Feingold and others tried this several times and it went nowhere.

And you clueless clowns can't figure it out on your own so I'll throw you a bone.

It went nowhere because there's no justification.

There is no stinkin chocolate.

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A little boy asks the ice cream store clerk for a chocolate ice cream cone. They are all out of chocolate so the clerk suggests other flavors but the boy only wants chocolate.

The clerk suggests the little boy come back tomorrow when the store gets it's next supply of ice cream. The little boy leaves. An hour later the boy returns and the clerk thinks the youngster is ready to try a different flavor. "What'll it be young man? Vanilla, strawberry, rocky road?" "No, I'd like a chocolate ice cream cone, please." Frustrated that he hadn't gotten the message through the previous time, the clerk now tried to make sure the boy understand the situation clearly. "WE ARE ALL OUT OF CHOCOLATE. COME BACK TOMORROW IF YOU WANT CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM. OK?" The boy says nothing and leaves.

Finally, ten minutes later, the boy comes back to the shop and waits his turn to be served. "Ok, did you change your mind, pal?" "I want a chocolate ice cream cone." The clerk loses his composure and starts yelling and screaming at the little boy who, understandably, begins crying. To calm the youngster down the clerk says, "tell ya what kid, if you answer these three questions correctly I'll give you what you want." This works like a charm and the boy's sobs are reduced to a whimper.

"First question. How do you spell VAN as in Vanilla?" "V-A-N" "That's correct.

Second question. How do you spell STRAW as in Strawberry?" "S-T-R-A-W" "Very good, young man.

Now here's the final question. How do you spell STINK, as in Chocolate?" The little boy begins spelling, but before he completes the word the realization kicks in. "Wait a minute, there's no STINK in Chocolate!"

The clerk replies, "NOW you understand what I've been tryin to tell you, kid!

THERE'S NO STINKIN CHOCOLATE!"

http://www.twojokes.com/joke748.php

No matter how many times you guys ask for it you have to get it through your friggin heads, there's no stinkin impeachment.

bhkad · 09-09-07, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chevydriver1123

Hell even Lou Dobbs have implied that he should be impeached and he isnt no flaming liberal.

And you isn't no astute political observer.

chevydriver1123 · 09-10-07, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bhkad

And you isn't no astute political observer.

Learn how to type in comprehensive sentences if your going to insult.

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Science isn't Bush's strong point, either.

Neither is English.

Zyphlin · 09-10-07, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

With over 500,000 people voting, you can bet your a.s.s this is representative of the entire nation.

Riiiiiiight. Because every one of those 500,000 votes are actually a new person. Its not like there's not easy ways on these non-scientific polls for people that have no life and really age with one part of it to vote over, and over, and over again.

Also not like MSNBC is the farthest left of the three major 24/7 channels.

So if fox put up a poll that had 500,000 saying "no", that would be the will of the nation? Oh wait, no, I'm sure that'd just be "propoganda and BS from faux", right Billo?

You're smarter then this.

Billo_Really · 09-10-07, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Zyphlin
Riiiiiiight. Because every one of those 500,000 votes are actually a new person. Its not like there's not easy ways on these non-scientific polls for people that have no life and really age with one part of it to vote over, and over, and over again.

Also not like MSNBC is the farthest left of the three major 24/7 channels.

So if fox put up a poll that had 500,000 saying "no", that would be the will of the nation? Oh wait, no, I'm sure that'd just be "propoganda and BS from faux", right Billo?

You're smarter then this.

You don't decide the truth or falsehood of an assertion, soley on the source of the link. I wouldn't discount a FOX poll simply because it came from FOX. I would discount it if I had contradictary evidence, or if their assertion was so whack, it challenges reality.

Why do you choose to believe things you don't have the evidence to back them up.

Billo_Really · 09-10-07, 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by bhkad
No matter how many times you guys ask for it you have to get it through your friggin heads, there's no stinkin impeachment.

That has more to do with f.u.c.k.e.d up American's who keep making excuses for his criminal behavior to the detriment of this country.

RightinNYC · 09-10-07, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

With over 500,000 people voting, you can bet your a.s.s this is representative of the entire nation.

In case anyone here mistakenly believes this is true:

http://www.publicagenda.org/polling/polling_20q.cfm

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20 Questions Journalists Should Ask About Poll Results

For journalists and for pollsters, questions are the most frequently used tool for gathering information. Here are 20 questions for the journalist to ask the pollster before reporting poll results. This publication is designed to help the working journalist do a thorough, professional job covering polls; it is not a primer on how to conduct a public opinion survey.

This work is about polls that are "scientific." A number of the questions will help you decide whether or not a poll is a scientific -- one worthy of coverage -- or an unscientific survey that may be entertaining but meaningless.

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The major distinguishing difference between scientific and unscientific polls is who picks the respondents for the survey. In a scientific poll, the pollster identifies and seeks out the people to be interviewed. In an unscientific poll, the respondents usually "volunteer" their opinions, selecting themselves for the poll.

The results of the well-conducted scientific poll can provide a reliable guide to the opinions of many people in addition to those interviewed -- even the opinions of all Americans. The results of an unscientific poll tell you nothing more than simply what those respondents say.

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10. Is this a dial-in poll, a mail-in poll, or a subscriber coupon poll?

If the poll you are looking at is a dial-in. mail-in, or coupon poll, don't report the results because the respondents are self-selected. These pseudo-polls have no validity. Remember, the purpose of a poll is to draw conclusions about the population, not about the sample. In these pseudo-polls there is no way to project the results to any larger group. Scientific polls usually show different results than pseudo-polls.

The 900-number dial-in polls may be fine for deciding whether or not Larry the Lobster should be cooked on Saturday Night Live or even for dedicated fans to express their opinions on who is the greatest quarterback in the National Football League, but they have only entertainment value. There is no way to tell who actually called in, how old they are, or how many times each person called.

Never be fooled by the number of responses. In some cases a few people call in thousands of times. Even if 500,000 calls are tallied, no one has any real knowledge of what the results mean. If big numbers impress you, remember that the Literary Digest's non-scientific sample of 12,000,000 people said Landon would beat Roosevelt.

Billo_Really · 09-10-07, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by RightinNYU:
In case anyone here mistakenly believes this is true:

People who support Bush have the same opportunities to call in or vote in a poll as the ones who don't. People who pick the respondants may harbor a pre-disposition and pick in such a way to influence the outcome. Somewhat like a George Bush Townhall meeting.

Given the results of the past mid-terms, this poll seems to be pretty accurate of the mood of the country. Don't believe me? Then watch what happens in '08.

RightinNYC · 09-10-07, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

People who support Bush have the same opportunities to call in or vote in a poll as the ones who don't. People who pick the respondants may harbor a pre-disposition and pick in such a way to influence the outcome. Somewhat like a George Bush Townhall meeting.

Given the results of the past mid-terms, this poll seems to be pretty accurate of the mood of the country. Don't believe me? Then watch what happens in '08.

From MSNBC itself:

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One week in the middle of the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, more than 200,000 people took part in an MSNBC Live Vote that asked whether President Clinton should leave office. Seventy-three percent said yes. That same week, an NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll found that only 34 percent of about 2,000 people who were surveyed thought so.

If you don't understand that this poll means absolutely nothing, I don't know what more to tell you. Compare it to any other scientific poll that asks the same question.

Psychoclown · 09-11-07, 12:45 AM

As has been said above, this poll means nothing. If anyone has ever taken even a rudimentary stats class, they could tell you that. To make the results of a poll a valid predictor of the overall population it claims to represent (in this case the American people) it needs to have a large enough sample size to ensure it is not skewed by a few outliers AND a randomly selected group of subjects that ensures bias does not creep into the poll.

We have no idea what the sample size is (that is the number of different people polled, not the total number of responses) in this poll. Furthermore, given that the population is randomly selected AND its being conducted by a media outlet with a reputation for leaning in one specific direction (i.e. left and therefore anti-Bush) its a fairly safe bet that bias has crept into the results.

The end result is some fun numbers for partisan hacks to toss around, but other than that, the poll is worthless.