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Old 09-10-07, 09:19 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Except that they lied about why they did it.
What more do they need other than "I felt like it"
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Old 09-10-07, 10:02 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Re: Gonzales "Scandal" Thoroughly Debunked

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That's a good question, but I'm not the one who thinks it's unusual for a politician to lie. Just keep pretending that they're honest.
That wasn't my point.
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Old 09-10-07, 10:19 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Really, if Presidents are hiring and firing attorneys who function best (for the good of the country) when they're independent, and the hiring and firing is working against their being indepedent, then Presidents ought to be held accountable.
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Meh They arent being hired to be "independent". They are being hired to enforce the policies of the current administration they serve.
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Meh They arent being hired to be "independent". They are being hired to enforce the policies of the current administration they serve.
And now the Dems are saying the Attorney General is suppose to be "independent" and "work for the people not the President". Last I looked he served at the pleasure of the President and was a working member of his Cabinet. The President also dictates policy and priority to the AG. The Congressional Dems are engaged in propaganda in an attempt to make a constitutional power grab and force the President to allow them to "pre-select" his cabinet.
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Re: Gonzales "Scandal" Thoroughly Debunked

Here is Sen. Feingold, one of the leading Democrat attack dogs, being asked last week what is the evidence that all this has turned up:

WALLACE: Meanwhile, this week a House committee held two White House aides in contempt, and a Senate committee issued a subpoena for Karl Rove to testify, all in the investigation of the firing of U.S. attorneys.
Senator, so far, Congress has been investigating this issue all year. You've heard from 14 witnesses. You've received 8,500 pages of documents.
Can you point to a single smoking gun, any hard evidence, that the White House has done anything illegal?


FEINGOLD: I think clearly with regard to the NSA surveillance program that we've been talking about...


WALLACE: No, no, I'm talking about the U.S. attorneys, sir.


Notice how he tried to dodge.


FEINGOLD: Well, I believe they probably have. I can't give you anything definitive on that, but I do believe there's been terrible misconduct and misleading approaches here.


He has nothing, not a shred of evidence, not the smallest morsel of probable cause.


FEINGOLD: And look. My view is that our first priority is getting us out of Iraq. We have had successes in terms of raising the minimum wage. We are going to pass a major lobbying and ethics bill. We've passed an energy bill. We've got the pay-go rule back in place. This is what we spent six months on.


More dodging, he was asked specifically about the US Attorney firings.
He is being asked what is the evidence you have, what has all the screaming and crying been about. And he has NOTHING.


FEINGOLD: But now we have started some accountability. This was a week of accountability — a censure resolution proposal that I made, the call for the special counsel, the issuing of contempt orders.


FOR WHAT? He can't produce a shred of evidence that calls for any such matters.


FEINGOLD: This administration is trying to prevent us from learning the facts about these situations that you've asked me about. Until we can learn the facts, how do we know whether they have committed anything illegal?



Then lets investigate EVERYONE in the Senate, get all their records and emails and phone records and put them under oath, until we can learn the facts, how do we know whether they have committed anything illegal?



FEINGOLD: Until we can learn the facts, how do we know whether they have committed anything illegal? Until we can learn the facts, how do we know whether they have committed anything illegal? That's something that we as members of Congress have an obligation to find out, not just a question of whether we should do it or shouldn't do it. We need to ask these questions or we're not doing our job.



Same with the justice department



WALLACE: But you know, I think the question is, is this really going anywhere? Is this substantive oversight or is this political theater?
I mean, the point is on the U.S. attorneys which we're talking about, six-month, seven-month investigation, 8,500 pages of documents, 14 witnesses, and you say yourself as a member of Senate Judiciary you haven't found any hard evidence that the White House has broken the law.
FEINGOLD: Well, I happen to think they probably did break the law here, but I don't think the investigation is over, and...


He just thinks so so it must be, and he can't state one fact to back up his assertion no reason to think as he does.



WALLACE: But do you have any evidence of that?
FEINGOLD: ... until we — well, that's why we're asking for people like Karl Rove and others to come down and testify so we can actually examine the evidence.
We haven't had access to the evidence. How are you supposed to examine it when you can't look at it?


IOW no he has no evidence and no reason to believe anything illegal was done.


WALLACE: Finally, while all this is going on, as you pointed out, you plan to introduce legislation or resolutions this week to censure the president, two resolutions.
When you tried this last year, only three Democrats signed on to your motions or to your resolutions. Wouldn't the American people rather see Congress do something about lower drug prices, about energy policy, about student loans, all part of the Democratic agenda, that you haven't passed so far rather than engage in this political theater?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291298,00.html



Evidence of WHAT, he can't say, he can't say what the probable cause is. It is a witch-hunt and nothing more.
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I stopped reading this thread:
Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com <right there.
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I stopped reading this thread:
Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com <right there.
Which is why you remain ignorant of the matter, why would you brag about that?
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