Hillary Clinton's Former Campaign Finance Director Indicted - Page 3

Adrian · 08-31-07, 03:31 AM

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I think it's time we have an investigation to see just how high up this goes. She should voluntarily submit all of hers and her staffs emails to the Senate Ethics Committee so we can see if there is any evidence Hillary was involved in the actual fraud, when she found out about it and if she tried to cover it up.

Don't we have a right to know?

Absolutely. Even the slightest hint of corruption, whether it turns out be baseless or true in the end, needs to be investigated to its fullest. It's the only thing that'll keep a democracy running along its ideals. I wonder how long it'll take you to realize that quite a lot of DP members from nearly all sides of the political spectrum are actually pretty keen on this idea? I suggested this no-holds-barred investigation idea in that other thread and I didn't hear too many complaints from anybody except you (who was nonetheless eager to have it applied to "President Hillary").

Stinger · 08-31-07, 08:40 AM

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Absolutely. Even the slightest hint of corruption, whether it turns out be baseless or true in the end, needs to be investigated to its fullest. It's the only thing that'll keep a democracy running along its ideals. I wonder how long it'll take you to realize that quite a lot of DP members from nearly all sides of the political spectrum are actually pretty keen on this idea? I suggested this no-holds-barred investigation idea in that other thread and I didn't hear too many complaints from anybody except you (who was nonetheless eager to have it applied to "President Hillary").

And let's get Chuckie Schumer's records too, who did he talk to and about what before starting all is investigations into the Libby/Plame affair, did he talk to anyone at the DoJ and pressure them into investigating?

Adrian · 08-31-07, 11:40 AM

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And let's get Chuckie Schumer's records too, who did he talk to and about what before starting all is investigations into the Libby/Plame affair, did he talk to anyone at the DoJ and pressure them into investigating?

If that results in the unearthing of criminal activity? Go for it. Our politicians must be held to the very highest standards and to the very brightest light of scrutiny. I absolutely believe that there should be a double standard for normal civilians and politicians. We need be certain that those whom we are electing to be in charge of national and international policy are there for the betterment of America, and not for the betterment of their own egos and wealth.

But okay, I can tell that every time I say that everybody should be thoroughly vetted, you're going to come back with yet one more person you think I will be unlikely to agree should be vetted. All...of...them.

Got that? All. Of. Them. From the most conservative to the most centrist to the most liberal...all of them.

Stinger · 08-31-07, 01:08 PM

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If that results in the unearthing of criminal activity? Go for it.
Our politicians must be held to the very highest standards and to the very brightest light of scrutiny. I absolutely believe that there should be a double standard for normal civilians and politicians. We need be certain that those whom we are electing to be in charge of national and international policy are there for the betterment of America, and not for the betterment of their own egos and wealth.

But okay, I can tell that every time I say that everybody should be thoroughly vetted, you're going to come back with yet one more person you think I will be unlikely to agree should be vetted. All...of...them.

Got that? All. Of. Them. From the most conservative to the most centrist to the most liberal...all of them.

And no one will ever work in government again. Even policitians need some privacy in discussing matters with their staffs and constituents. That's the way it has always been.

Adrian · 08-31-07, 01:34 PM

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And no one will ever work in government again. Even policitians need some privacy in discussing matters with their staffs and constituents. That's the way it has always been.

So what you're saying is that there are no genuinely good people who want to work in government. That's really cynical. Well, I don't hold your views. I believe that there are quite a lot of good people who are unable to make the sort of low decisions required to make it in this utterly corrupt system. When oversight of all politicians becomes strong enough the corrupt ones will eventually decide that the hassle just isn't worth it. That'll leave the way open for good people who really care about our country.

Again, though, you seem to agree with this in principle because you approve of this being applied to any future Democratic president. Therefore you must see the wisdom in what I'm saying.

RightinNYC · 08-31-07, 01:47 PM

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So what you're saying is that there are no genuinely good people who want to work in government. That's really cynical. Well, I don't hold your views.

I consider myself a pretty good person. In the next year or two, I will have to decide whether I want to go the corporate route and make lots money or go the public service route and try to do something like DoJ Honors or become an Assistant US Attorney.

Every single day that I see good people (of both political persuasions) be ripped apart in the media for no reason other than the letter next to their name, it makes me less and less likely to want to subject myself to that needless bull****. I can't even begin to tell you how many of my colleagues think the exact same thing. With the advent of the 24 hour news cycle and blogs like daily kos and free republic, politics has become a character-destruction bloodsport.

Stinger · 08-31-07, 01:47 PM

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So what you're saying is that there are no genuinely good people who want to work in government.

No that's not what I said.

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Again, though, you seem to agree with this in principle because you approve of this being applied to any future Democratic president. Therefore you must see the wisdom in what I'm saying.

No I have not said I "agree" with it, I just accept the fact that the Dems had established the principle that if you can't win at the ballot box then trump up charges against your political opponents, put them into a perjury trap situation and haul them off to jail to get them out of the way. So let's watch the Rep play hardball with a Hillary administration and reply in kind.

Iriemon · 08-31-07, 02:00 PM

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No that's not what I said.

No I have not said I "agree" with it, I just accept the fact that the Dems had established the principle that if you can't win at the ballot box then trump up charges against your political opponents, put them into a perjury trap situation and haul them off to jail to get them out of the way. So let's watch the Rep play hardball with a Hillary administration and reply in kind.

Sounds like Stinger is saying that any Republican who testifies is in a perjury situation. Could be he's got a point.

Stinger · 08-31-07, 02:27 PM

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Sounds like Stinger is saying that any Republican who testifies is in a perjury situation. Could be he's got a point.

Are you now saying you will answer the same questions you ask of others and this is why you are replying to my post when I have told you have no interest in attempting a discourse with you when you refuse to answer questions you ask of others?

Iriemon · 08-31-07, 02:33 PM

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Are you now saying you will answer the same questions you ask of others and this is why you are replying to my post when I have told you have no interest in attempting a discourse with you when you refuse to answer questions you ask of others?

Like I told you from the beginning, my personal life is none you your business, so keep