The Republic is dead quickly die the tyranny of the Majority!

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-04-07, 05:14 AM

For those of you who haven't heard due to the tyrannical actions of the DemocRAT last night on the House floor we no longer live in a Representative Republic, U.S. Democracy is dead and the DemoncrRATs killed it basically what happened is that the Republicans won a motion to recommit an Aggricultural appropriations bill in order to insure that illegal immigrants did not recieve tax payer funded welfare by a vote of 215 to 213, then presiding speaker McNulty slammed the gavel, declared the motion closed then they conspired to kill the Republic by stating that the vote was 214 to 214 Republican motion to recommit fails, then they shut down the voting machine and erased the record to hide the crime they had committed:

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House Democrats Fail Democracy 101
By Tom DeLay

Last night on the House floor – that sprawling, brawling arena that was like a second home to me during my 22 year career in Congress – it seems pretty clear that a crime was perpetrated against the rule of law and the American people. A combination of arrogance and incompetence on the part of the Democrat leadership left the Rules looking like a prisoner at Abu Ghraib. Not bad for a Thursday night.

Here’s how it went down. The House of Representatives, like all democratic legislatures, provides for what is called a “Motion to Recommit.” It’s one of the many minority rights built into the structure of the legislative process. Basically, a properly led majority party in the House – unlike in the Senate – can pass pretty much any bill it wants to. It can swat down minority amendments, or even disallow their introduction in the first place. In order to give minority members a semblance of dignity in such circumstances, they are usually permitted one more vote, before a major bill’s final passage, to send the bill back to committee. A good example of this would be a budget bill: Republicans don’t want to just vote against the Democrat budget, so they propose their own in the form of the motion to recommit, so at least they can have something they’re for. Now, because majority parties are in control of things and presumably have competent leadership, these procedural votes are typically formalities.

Until this year. In the seven months since the Democrats took control of Congress and, as now appears evident, elected the most incompetent speaker in American history, Republicans have passed one motion to recommit after another. They have cleverly written their motions so as to make it difficult for Democrats to cavalierly vote against them. Such was the case last night. Before the vote on the Agriculture spending bill for the next fiscal year, Republicans offered a nifty little motion to recommit so that illegal immigrants would not receive taxpayer funded government welfare. (My compliments to whoever thought that one up.)

Well, because a few of the Democrats can’t afford to have an ad in their next campaign saying he wanted to give illegal immigrants federal funds, Nancy Pelosi’s duct-taped majority sprung another leak. The motion to recommit, whose passage would scuttle the Democrats’ bill offering taxpayer benefits to illegal immigrants, was on the verge of passage, with 215 votes in favor and 213 votes opposed. Yet another ring was about to run around Pelosi and her bumbling leadership team.

Then it happened.

The presiding officer, the guy in the big chair with the gavel, was Democrat Congressman Michael McNulty, who would apparently make a compelling contestant on Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?, gaveled the vote closed – repeat, closed – when it was 215 to 213. Republicans win. Except when McNulty got the tally from the Clerk and realized what happened, he and the Democrat leader conspired to “correct” their mistake, after the gavel had fallen.

Angry Republicans started asking questions, primarily one beginning with the words, “what” and “the”. Republican Leader John Boehner stood up and asked the same question, politely, and all McNulty said was that the “voting machine is down.” (The House’s electronic voting machine doesn’t just “go down”, incidentally: it was more likely turned off to hide the evidence of the crime.) A few minutes of strange rustlings over on the Democrat side of the dais ensued until finally Rep. McNulty spoke up again and said, “The Chair prematurely called the vote at 214-214 [a lie], while there were votes being entered [illegal]. After all the cards [whose?] were added, the final [illegal] vote was 212 to 216, nay. Sorry suckers, it’s Schlitz O’Clock!” (Okay, I added the last part.)

Except here’s the thing. The vote was closed. Not open. Not ajar. Closed. The rules don’t allow for McNulty’s personal problem with premature e-gavel-ation. He screwed up and cost the Democrats the vote. But in Nancy Pelosi’s America, votes only count when Democrats win: so she cheated, and bent a once-proud and honorable political party into an instrument of despotism. Jaw-dropping as it may sound, it’s not an exaggeration to say that for a few minutes last night, the United States was not a representative democracy.

Townhall.com::House Democrats Fail Democracy 101::By Tom DeLay

U.S. democracy 1789-2007 R.I.P.

1069 · 08-04-07, 05:47 AM

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U.S. democracy 1789-2007 R.I.P.

Gosh, that didn't last long, as nations go.
Interesting experiment, though, while it lasted.

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basically what happened is that the Republicans won a motion to recommit in order to insure that illegal immigrants did not recieve tax payer funded welfare by a vote of 215 to 213, then presiding speaker McNulty slammed the gavel, declared the motion closed then they conspired to kill the Republic by stating that the vote was 214 to 214 Republican motion to recommit fails, then they shut down the voting machine and erased the record to hide the crime they had committed.

Good. I certainly have no intention of having to kick dying children and old people- of whatever race, ethnicity, nationality- out of my way as I walk down the street.
I live in a border state; TB is near-epidemic here, and leprosy- yes, you heard that correctly- is making a comeback as well.
There is concern about a new smallpox epidemic; nobody born after 1970 has been vaccinated for it, here. In other words, only the middle-aged and elderly are currently immune.

Taking care of ourselves and our own is not enough; even if we were heartless enough to neglect ailing immigrant children in this monstrosity of material excess we call a country, the communicable nature of disease (and our rapidly depleting arsenal of effective antibiotics with which to combat disease) deems it impossible.
Kicking them all out and erecting a giant wall won't work, either; don't forget that the first recorded incidence of biological warfare, which occurred in 1346, involved the catapulting of plague-ridden corpses over into the walled city of Kaffa, in Crimea.
There is no wall that can protect us against germs.
We must continue to take a proactive, rather than a defensive, approach to epidemic control.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-04-07, 05:51 AM

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Gosh, that didn't last long, as nations go.
Interesting experiment, though, while it lasted.

Good. I certainly have no intention of having to kick dying children and old people- of whatever race, ethnicity, nationality- out of my way as I walk down the street.
I live in a border state; TB is near-epidemic here, and leprosy- yes, you heard that correctly- is making a comeback as well.
There is concern about a new smallpox epidemic; nobody born after 1970 has been vaccinated for it, here. In other words, only the middle-aged and elderly are currently immune.

Taking care of ourselves and our own is not enough; even if we were heartless enough to neglect ailing immigrant children in this monstrosity of material excess we call a country, the communicable nature of disease (and our rapidly depleting arsenal of effective antibiotics with which to combat disease) deems it impossible.
Kicking them all out and erecting a giant wall won't work, either; don't forget that the first recorded incidence of biological warfare, which occurred in 1346, involved the catapulting of plague-ridden corpses over into the walled city of Kaffa, in Crimea.
There is no wall that can protect us against germs.
We must continue to take a proactive, rather than a defensive, approach to epidemic control.

So your solution is to steal money from the citizens of the republic and hand it over to those who have no bussiness being here, and in so doing destroying our democracy? Good on you, you fit right in with the tyrannical regime currently occupying the Congress!

Monk-Eye · 08-04-07, 02:54 PM

"Malfeasance"

Blunt Speech: "I'm Ashamed" (link)

Republicans walked off the floor because of procedural misconduct by the Democratic majority Whip of the house.
This is criminal.

Monk-Eye · 08-04-07, 03:01 PM

"Well Fair Else Where"

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Good. I certainly have no intention of having to kick dying children and old people- of whatever race, ethnicity, nationality- out of my way as I walk down the street.

Stop giving them more than they would have received from their own country and they will stop arriving (illegally) at your doorstep.

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We must continue to take a proactive, rather than a defensive, approach to epidemic control.

The World Health Organization is actively responsible for that task. Are you asserting that it is going unadressed?

Jray · 08-04-07, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

So your solution is to steal money from the citizens of the republic and hand it over to those who have no bussiness being here, and in so doing destroying our democracy? Good on you, you fit right in with the tyrannical regime currently occupying the Congress!

How does that destroy democracy? American democracy died a while back anyway.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-04-07, 08:17 PM

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How does that destroy democracy?

The Representatives in the House voted in favor for a motion to recommit the ag appropriations bill, that vote wasn't to the liking of the DemocRATs so they simply inserted their own vote, shut down the voting machines, and erased the voting record that's how. As of Thursday night we no longer live in a Representative Republic.

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American democracy died a while back anyway.

Let me guess because your party or candidate didn't win right?

Jray · 08-04-07, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trajan Octavian Titus

The Representatives in the House voted in favor for a motion to recommit the ag appropriations bill, that vote wasn't to the liking of the DemocRATs so they simply inserted their own vote, shut down the voting machines, and erased the voting record that's how. As of Thursday night we no longer live in a Representative Republic.

I understood that part, you said that giving money to illegal aliens was destroying democracy.

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Let me guess because your party or candidate didn't win right?

I dont associate with one party. The reason i said that is because the republic system dosent work anymore. America has become a plutocracy because in order to run for major office you need to be rich or will suffer from lack of funding not to mention the rich have much more influence in the government than the poor to start. Neither party is better than they other because they just push back and forth and nothing gets accomplished. The constitution has so many loop holes that it dose not hold too much weight. So i say abandon the republic system and lets turn to direct or consensus democracy.

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-04-07, 10:50 PM

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I understood that part, you said that giving money to illegal aliens was destroying democracy.

No I said that stealing a vote in the House that would have prevented illegals from getting welfare, was destroying Democracy.

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I dont associate with one party. The reason i said that is because the republic system dosent work anymore. America has become a plutocracy because in order to run for major office you need to be rich or will suffer from lack of funding not to mention the rich have much more influence in the government than the poor to start.

Being rich helps but if you have a good message then you'll get the funding that you need. Furthermore; generally those who are the best and brightest among us and thus the most capable to lead are those who tend to be rich, because the characteristics that make one a good leader are also the characteristics that gets one ahead in the private sector.

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Neither party is better than they other because they just push back and forth and nothing gets accomplished. The constitution has so many loop holes that it dose not hold too much weight.

Wow spoken like a true left wing extremist, yes yes let's scrap the Constitution.

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So i say abandon the republic system and lets turn to direct or consensus democracy.

lmfao, why don't you move to Cuba? They have a real nice totalitarian tyranny of the majority over there. Sorry but Democracy is not an end onto itself it is the means to the ends of liberalism, liberty, and diversity.

Billo_Really · 08-04-07, 10:58 PM

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...yes yes let's scrap the Constitution.

You're doing everything in your power to do just that!

And when you're not doing that, you're s.h.i.t.t.i.n.g on the brave men and women who served in our armed forces.