The Republic is dead quickly die the tyranny of the Majority! - Page 2

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-04-07, 11:02 PM

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You're doing everything in your power to do just that!

No I'm not, it's not my problem that you don't understand the Constitution.

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And when you're not doing that, you're s.h.i.t.t.i.n.g on the brave men and women who served in our armed forces.

No that would be you, infact that is your entire Modus Operandi on this board, save ofcourse for those who falsley accuse their fellow soldiers of being mass murderers of civilians, THOSE, are the type of soldiers you like.

Billo_Really · 08-04-07, 11:36 PM

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No I'm not, it's not my problem that you don't understand the Constitution.

I know enough to know you argue in favor of every piece of legislation that compromises it.

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No that would be you, infact that is your entire Modus Operandi on this board, save ofcourse for those who falsley accuse their fellow soldiers of being mass murderers of civilians, THOSE, are the type of soldiers you like.

You "falsely accused" THOSE soldiers of "falsely accussing!"

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-05-07, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I know enough to know you argue in favor of every piece of legislation that compromises it.

Then file a writ of certiori with the SCOTUS buddy. Good luck.

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You "falsely accused" THOSE soldiers of "falsely accussing!"

Not given the record of IVAW, as they are responsible for some of the most slanderous lies against our troops in Iraq. Like I said Billo you only like the minority of troops who denigrate the majority of their fellow soldiers because you hate the troops and they give you pretty good ammunition to drag them through the mud.

Billo_Really · 08-05-07, 05:00 AM

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Not given the record of IVAW, as they are responsible for some of the most slanderous lies against our troops in Iraq. Like I said Billo you only like the minority of troops who denigrate the majority of their fellow soldiers because you hate the troops and they give you pretty good ammunition to drag them through the mud.

I don't put those troops above or below any other troops. They are of equal value in my book. The same level as Gunny or Cherokee or W.I.Crippler, etc. They are no different than the ones you profess to support. If you s.h.i.t on them, you s.h.i.t on all!

Name some of the slanderous lies and show proof that they are, "slanderous lies". If what you say is true, then there should be no problem stating at least 3 examples that corroborate your assertion.

Let's see 'em...

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-05-07, 05:13 AM

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I don't put those troops above or below any other troops.

Bull**** don't ****ing play games Billo your entire Modus Operandi on this sight is to slander the troops and accuse them of being war criminals and murders, you're no different then those POS who spit on the troops and called them baby killers during Vietnam.

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Name some of the slanderous lies and show proof that they are, "slanderous lies".

Jimmy Massey and Jesse Macbeth are two members of the IVAW who have been proven to be complete and total frauds.

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JIMMY MASSEY’S LIES: THE AP FINALLY WAKES UP

By Michelle Malkin • December 14, 2005 09:01 AM
More than a month after Ron Harris of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch exposed the fraudulent anti-war veteran Jimmy Massey’s lies about alleged atrocities committed by him and his fellow Marines, the Associated Press has finally, finally acknowledged its own role in spreading Massey’s unsubstantiated smears:

Michelle Malkin » JIMMY MASSEY’S LIES: THE AP FINALLY WAKES UP

Infact Jimmey Massey was a co-founder of the IVAW:

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The founders are Kelly Dougherty (current Executive Director) US Army, Tim Goodrich US Air Force , Mike Hoffman USMC, Alex Ryabov USMC, Jimmy Massey USMC, Isaiah Pallos USMC, and Diana Morrison US Army. [1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Ve...gainst_the_War

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Jesse Adam Macbeth (b. Jesse Adam Al-Zaid, [1] in 1984) falsely claimed to be an Army Ranger and veteran of the Iraq War. He lied in alternative media interviews that he and his unit routinely committed war crimes in Iraq. [2] [3] Macbeth began to attract significant attention after the release of a video containing his allegations; [4] transcripts of the video were made in English and Arabic. [5] According to the U.S. Army, there is no record of Macbeth being a Ranger, [6] [7] or serving in a combat unit: he was discharged from the service after having been declared unfit or unsuitable for the Army, or both, [8] before he could complete basic training. [9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth

These two scumbag buddy ****ers who sold out their fellow soldiers for fame and profit were and in Massey's case are, members of the IVAW, they have lost any and all credibility, and your source singled them out as being especially helpful. Well gee I wonder why? Perhaps because their entire article was one long smear against the troops and they didn't even try to offer the alternative view, because they are only interested in the type of troops who are willing to denigrate their own fellow soldiers for fame, profit, or because they have a grudge against the army or the current administration. For every one soldier you find who doesn't support the war there are thousands who do but ofcourse the "leftist" nation isn't interested in their story.

Billo_Really · 08-05-07, 05:31 AM

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These two scumbag buddy ****ers who sold out their fellow soldiers for fame and profit were and in Massey's case are, members of the IVAW, they have lost any and all credibility, and your source singled them out as being especially helpful. Well gee I wonder why? Perhaps because their entire article was one long smear against the troops and they didn't even try to offer the alternative view, because they are only interested in the type of troops who are willing to denigrate their own fellow soldiers for fame, profit, or because they have a grudge against the army or the current administration. For every one soldier you find who doesn't support the war there are thousands who do but ofcourse the "leftist" nation isn't interested in their story.

I haven't looked into these two guys so I'm not going to comment on the claims you are making. But you are going to broadstroke that entire organization because of TWO guys! You need to grow up.

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Bull**** don't ****ing play games Billo your entire Modus Operandi on this sight is to slander the troops and accuse them of being war criminals and murders, you're no different then those POS who spit on the troops and called them baby killers during Vietnam.

You're the only one playing games here. I don't slander any troops as you want people to believe. And I certainly do not support the ones that commit criminal acts. You do! You defend handcuffing 11 people and herding them into a room and shooting them in the head while there grandfather looks on before he too is shot. You support the killing of children. The people that kill children. You support the bombing of hospitals. You advocate lawlessness. Your politcal beliefs are closer to that of nazis than it is Americans. You are no one to talk.

BTW, I said 3 examples!

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-05-07, 05:49 AM

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I haven't looked into these two guys so I'm not going to comment on the claims you are making. But you are going to broadstroke that entire organization because of TWO guys! You need to grow up.

Yes I am going to broadstroke that organization because they are already proven liars, and Jimmy Massey was their co-founder.

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You're the only one playing games here. I don't slander any troops as you want people to believe.

You haven't gone a day since I've been here without calling them war criminals and murders so save it, nobodies by your "what me," routine.

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And I certainly do not support the ones that commit criminal acts. You do! You defend handcuffing 11 people and herding them into a room and shooting them in the head while there grandfather looks on before he too is shot. You support the killing of children. The people that kill children. You support the bombing of hospitals. You advocate lawlessness. Your politcal beliefs are closer to that of nazis than it is Americans. You are no one to talk.

You are such a joke, you can't even be real, in the same ****ing paragraph you said that you don't slander the troops and then you go about accuse them of rounding up civilians and murdering them, murdering children, bombing hospitals and then calling those who challenge your assertions Nazi's, you are truly a despicable human being.

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BTW, I said 3 examples!

GFYS.

Jray · 08-05-07, 09:54 AM

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Being rich helps but if you have a good message then you'll get the funding that you need. Furthermore; generally those who are the best and brightest among us and thus the most capable to lead are those who tend to be rich, because the characteristics that make one a good leader are also the characteristics that gets one ahead in the private sector.

Thats not really true because in order to get a legitimate amount of funding that message would have to fall into line with the views of one of the two major parties. Then you need the media exposure which only the major candidates are getting. Thats why the the most common response when you mention Kucinich or Gravel is "who's that?", even though they are the only good candidates in my opinion the media is too worried about if obama is black enough.

The best and brightest arent always the richests though, it depends what they choose to do with themselves. The best person for the presidency could
be a high school teacher who does not have the money to run for the presidency but would still be the best option.

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Wow spoken like a true left wing extremist, yes yes let's scrap the Constitution.

Why not? The constitution is very outdated and is not perfect and does not protect the people very well anymore. Societies evolve and tend to move more towards the left so there is no reason we should not move to a different system.

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lmfao, why don't you move to Cuba? They have a real nice totalitarian tyranny of the majority over there. Sorry but Democracy is not an end onto itself it is the means to the ends of liberalism, liberty, and diversity.

Well consensus democracy was theorized in order to prevent tyranny by majority so your argument has nothing to with that. Direct democracy can lead to tyranny by majority but a number of minority rights can be built in.

EAGLE1 · 08-05-07, 10:12 AM

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BTW, I said 3 examples!

GFYS.

'GFYS'. Billo the artful reponse is to tell Billo to Go F.u.c.k himself....

Classic debate tactics by ToT and may I say typical of many con jobs on this forum when it comes down to it.

Bravo! Encore!

BTW where's all the outrage about this usurping of democracy gone? There's nothing on the BBC about it, is Fox News covering the story?

Trajan Octavian Titus · 08-05-07, 05:47 PM

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'GFYS'. Billo the artful reponse is to tell Billo to Go F.u.c.k himself....

Classic debate tactics by ToT and may I say typical of many con jobs on this forum when it comes down to it.

Oh, I'm sorry I was only able to find 2 examples of the IVAW lying about troops being baby killers in Iraq not 3.

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Bravo! Encore!

BTW where's all the outrage about this usurping of democracy gone? There's nothing on the BBC about it, is Fox News covering the story?

It's all over CSPAN, FOX, CNN, etc.