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Old 06-04-07, 09:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Berger Gives Up Law License. Why?

Ordinarily, only finding oneself in the most dire of circumstances would force one to give up one's professional certification, be it a law license, medical license, CPA, etc. Berger gave his up. Why? RCP discusses it here.

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On May 17th, Sandy Berger, President Bill Clinton's National Security Adviser, voluntarily gave up his law license and with it the right to practice law. That is a stunning move for an accomplished lawyer, one of the nation's most influential public officials. Someone should take note. In fact, everyone should.

Berger previously entered a deal with the Department of Justice after he was caught stealing and destroying highly sensitive classified material regarding the Clinton Administration's handling of terrorism issues. That deal allowed him to avoid jail time, pay a modest fine, and keep his law license. It also allowed him to avoid full explanation of what he had taken and why he had taken it.

What information was worth risking his reputation, his career, and his freedom to keep hidden? And who was he risking that for?

Recently, the Board of the DC Bar, which had granted Berger his license, began asking those questions. There was only one way to stop that investigation, to keep from answering questions about what he did and why he did it, to keep the Bar from questioning his colleagues in the Clinton Administration about what had been in the documents Berger destroyed.

Berger took that step, surrendering his license, and stopping the investigation.
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For Berger to risk jail and disgrace, to then give up the right to practice his profession merely in order to avoid having to answer questions, he must be hiding something important. And if it is that important to him, it is also important to us.

The most likely explanation is that the material Berger destroyed points to a terrible mistake by Berger himself, by President Clinton, or by both. In dealing with al-Qaeda, did they overlook a critical piece of information or miss a chance to stop 9/11? Did the Administration's failure to take a more aggressive posture encourage al-Qaeda's later attacks?

When Fox News' Chris Wallace raised the possibility that Clinton's Administration might have done something more to prevent 9/11, Bill Clinton went into an inexplicable rage on national television. Wallace touched a nerve. So did the DC Bar.
So what is Berger hiding?
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Ordinarily, only finding oneself in the most dire of circumstances would force one to give up one's professional certification, be it a law license, medical license, CPA, etc. Berger gave his up. Why? RCP discusses it here.



So what is Berger hiding?
Why haven't we had a congressional investigation as to why Berger et al tried to defraud and congressional inquiery?
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Why haven't we had a congressional investigation as to why Berger et al tried to defraud and congressional inquiery?
Same reason the Bush DOJ under Ashcroft didn't prosecute. Democratic favoristism.
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Sandy Berger:

I saw a dramatization on TV, maybe a couple years ago.

Sandy Berger was in the white house, or at some CIA command center.

Some CIA agents or contractors had found Bin Laden, in Afghanistan, I think, and were asking for permission to open fire.

Sandy kept delaying and kept asking more questions and "Are there civilians nearby?" "Can you be sure not to hit any children?" "I really don't want to wake up the President about this."

The dramatization showed the marksmen, CIA , contractors, military, I am not sure who they were, but they were saying, "Doesn't anyone in Washington have any courage?" "This is supposed to be the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR?"

Sandy kept delaying, and then the oportunity to shoot with a reasonable chance of escape passed, as more people arrived, and the shot was never attempted.

Sandy Berger was made to appear like a wimp in the dramatization, but in another sense, avoiding the temptation to assasinate a plitical leader is not entirely without moral character.

Many lawyers have waived into DC, and have a law license in more than one state. Sandy Berger still may have a license to practice law in other states, I don't know.

I think is is more ethical to work at eroding the base of an enemy politician, rather that assasinating a political leader. Some people believe the CIA was invovled in coups in Vietnam, Iran, Bolivia, Cuba, Guatemala. Trying to stand for freedom, while killing inconvenient people, is sometimes a tough sell. Some actions in Iraq and Afghanistan could have given arrest more of a chance, before calling in air strikes.
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He is out of room in his socks and pants to carry it. Too many classified papers already there.
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Re: Berger Gives Up Law License. Why?

My hunch, when reading this (and it is just a hunch), is that it probably had more to do with the looting of Russia and the continuance of certain aspects of Operation Condor, or something to do with the CFR.

Most conceivable failures regarding 911 that occurred in the Clinton administration did occur, and are fairly well known. I don't know what else could be pinned on him. We know that he failed something like 9 times to get OBL when they knew his exact coordinates.
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When did the Neocons form the intent to attack Iraq? It was before 911. The Neocons needed Osama Bin Laden to create the excuse to attack Iraq.
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As part of the settlement Berger agreed to tak a lie detector test......To this day he has not did so.........He should be in jail...........
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My hunch, when reading this (and it is just a hunch), is that it probably had more to do with the looting of Russia and the continuance of certain aspects of Operation Condor, or something to do with the CFR.

Most conceivable failures regarding 911 that occurred in the Clinton administration did occur, and are fairly well known. I don't know what else could be pinned on him. We know that he failed something like 9 times to get OBL when they knew his exact coordinates.
Could you please cite the nine times we knew exactly where he was and what resources were in place to take OBL out and were not used? Please.

Berger surrendered his law license in order to get out of an investigation by the bar association. He had practiced law in over fifteen years. Everybody thinks that when Clinton was disbarred or when Berger gave up his license it was some kind of huge sacrifice that they were making in order to keep things under the rug. Do any of you people really think either one of these men intended to ever earn a single dime from practicing law again? Take a single client, file a single case? No, they did not. At their level in the game there was no need for their law license anymore. It's not like anyone was going to care that they lost their licenses either. These guys make millions from other means, their law licenses meant little to them. They were a means to an end back when they were younger.

Now to address the bull**** about Berger, Clinton, and 9/11. As far as a NSA goes, I really have very little feelings on this matter. There is the obvious smear going on against all things Clinton post 9/11, but I put much more stock in the numerous CSG staff that worked for both democrat and republican administrations than I do partisan hacks. The Pentagon fought Clinton and fought the CSG at every turn. The CIA and the FBI, both operationally sluggish entities until after 9/11 consistently made excuses when called on the carpet by the CSG. The CIA was so top heavy with career bureaucrats it's a wonder anybody ever did anything. People who green lighted operations that were unsuccessful or too loud got an early retirement. Therefore the best course of action for them was to not do anything that would make a ripple. Clinton sought renditions or assassinations on terror operative on multiple occasions and was repeatedly rebuked by the Pentagon and the CIA for reasons such as "we don't have operative in place" or "it's too dangerous to our operatives." Clinton wanted to use special forces/Delta/Seals for some of these ops and got the same response. Do some homework before you blindly engage in partisan jackassery and trash someones performance record on things such as terrorism. George "I don't want to waste time swatting flies" Bush and his administration didn't seem all to ready to even discuss terrorism, despite numerous urgent requests by CSG senior staff. And even after 9/11 their main focus was how to facilitate and invade Iraq. When repeatedly informed Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that it was going to be a strategic mistake to invade what did they do? Gladly accepted the resignations of key CSG staff members and watched some of their key military leaders quietly retire and go away.

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