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Biggest failure in US history?

Cyrillic said:
Biggest failure in US history by you as US citizens is what?
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Not nuking a few more countries to save american lives
Not ending defending other countries that cant defend themselves.
Not stopping giving hundreds of billions to other countries
Not telling more countries to piss off...
Not making sure most ALL other countries know they fail alot more than us in every aspect.


Thats a short list I have alot more fails on our part.
 
Cyrillic said:
Biggest failure in US history by you as US citizens is what?
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Allowing corruption (Money) to become the largest influence in politics. Unfortunately, this failure is still unfolding, and I see it as the "Biggest Failure" based on the possibility it may very well lead to our republic collapsing.
 
the partisan duopoly. we'd be much better off with more choices.
 
What we did to the Native Americans will forever be a stain on our legacy.
Followed closely by slavery.
 
I agree with tecoyah

But I also believe that demogogery is the main cause for this issue: make me happy and I'll vote for you - which leads to popularity nonpolitical contests between candidates.
 
not avoiding the civil war
 
-Jersey Shore
-Octomom
-Paris Hilton
-Niki Minaj
-American Idol


Essentially what I am getting at, is that most of us are totally skull fu.cked by entertainment that when something serious happens we don't care at all. Our politicians by way of lobbyist make sure it is this way. In America, no matter how poor, rich, healthy or unhealthy we are, most of us don't care as long as we have something entertaining us. Eventually, we will end up like the people in the movie WALL*E lol.

Just an (kind of extreme) example, look at Iran. In Iran, there is far less entertainment and advertising is forbidden other than propaganda against America and it's allies. Iran also has one of the world's youngest populations thanks to the Iran-Iraq War. A majority of the citizens of Iran are fully understanding of other countries policies, what really is going on, and do not like their leaders. Anytime they try to vote them out in a "election" it never comes to pass. We also look at news in a totally stupid way. Why is Dick Clark dying breaking news? Why does it deserve a shiny graphic?

In close, the 1st amendment is both our blessing and our curse. More and more, it seems that common decency means less and more and more stupid garbage gets into our media that is supposed to be both entertaining, and informative.

If a billion Americans got all their entertainment and news from a handful of websites, PBS, and their local newspaper within 5 years I guarantee you more would get done.
 
Cyrillic said:
Biggest failure in US history by you as US citizens is what?
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Getting involved in two European Wars in the 20th Century. Massive mistake on our part.
 
Tigger said:
Getting involved in two European Wars in the 20th Century. Massive mistake on our part.
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Really? I thought for sure your answer would be more along the lines of "women's rights", "the feminist movement", "allowing women to vote" , or something along those lines. ;)
 
Dragonfly said:
Really? I thought for sure your answer would be more along the lines of "women's rights", "the feminist movement", "allowing women to vote" , or something along those lines. ;)
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Those do rank up there, but I would suggest that our involvement in WWI and WWII was a much greater failure because it led to the socialist states that now exist in Europe, assisted in our debt crisis (we absolved the European nations and Japan of the cost of rebuilding their nations), and placed us more centrally on the World stage rather than remaining isolationist.
 
I would say Vietnam followed by Nixon and slavery/segregation. Vietnam really had a huge impact on the American physc or whatever it is called. It was only when Reagan came around that American's started to act like they liked being Americans again.
 
PeteEU said:
I would say Vietnam followed by Nixon and slavery/segregation. Vietnam really had a huge impact on the American physc or whatever it is called. It was only when Reagan came around that American's started to act like they liked being Americans again.
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As my father, a Vietnam Veteran, once said to me..... "You can't win a war when there are as many enemies in your own camp as there are on the other side of the battlefield." He truly felt that Vietnam was a winable war, if only the politicians had gotten out of the way and the citizenry had supported our troops.
 
Tigger said:
As my father, a Vietnam Veteran, once said to me..... "You can't win a war when there are as many enemies in your own camp as there are on the other side of the battlefield." He truly felt that Vietnam was a winable war, if only the politicians had gotten out of the way and the citizenry had supported our troops.
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He might be right, but there were other factors involved in that war that prevented the US from winning. And the citizenry did support you until you let news organisations report about napalm bombings of civilian and so on and the death count started to rise for US troops.

Regardless, the helicopters on top the US embassy in Saigon sealed almost a decade of US doubting it self in pretty much everything.. and that only was won over when Reagan started picking off weak targets (Grenada) and showed the US was still mighty. I have my issues with Reagan on his economic policy.. but I do respect and admire him for bringing the US out of the rut that Nixon and the Vietnam war had put the US in.
 
PeteEU said:
Regardless, the helicopters on top the US embassy in Saigon sealed almost a decade of US doubting it self in pretty much everything.. and that only was won over when Reagan started picking off weak targets (Grenada) and showed the US was still mighty. I have my issues with Reagan on his economic policy.. but I do respect and admire him for bringing the US out of the rut that Nixon and the Vietnam war had put the US in.
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My issues with Reagan have to do with his "outward" view during his Presidency rather than an "inward" view. He was way to concerned about things going on OUTSIDE the US and nowhere near concerned enough with what was going on INSIDE the US.
 
Tigger said:
Those do rank up there, but I would suggest that our involvement in WWI and WWII was a much greater failure because it led to the socialist states that now exist in Europe, assisted in our debt crisis (we absolved the European nations and Japan of the cost of rebuilding their nations), and placed us more centrally on the World stage rather than remaining isolationist.
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So, the alternative would have been:
A: A Nazi regime controlling the entirety of Europe.
B: A Soviet regime controlling the entirety of Europe and Asia.

Yep. Those options are mu h more attractive than the Sarkozy government...

You also have to remember, we did not declare war on Germany. Hitler declared war on us. IMHO, his biggest blunder. If he had not, we would have been obligated to take care of the Pacific first.
 
Tigger said:
My issues with Reagan have to do with his "outward" view during his Presidency rather than an "inward" view. He was way to concerned about things going on OUTSIDE the US and nowhere near concerned enough with what was going on INSIDE the US.
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Well it is always easier for a US president to go outward to create a legacy and do things. The cluster**** of domestic American politics prevents anything to get done at pretty much every level of governance so using domestic issues to get the US out of the rut from Vietnam and Nixon was next to impossible.. especially considering Reagan did a Nixon with Irangate..
 
1930's-1940's Supreme Court
slavery
Wilson Administration
 
Chiefgator said:
So, the alternative would have been:
A: A Nazi regime controlling the entirety of Europe.
B: A Soviet regime controlling the entirety of Europe and Asia.

Yep. Those options are mu h more attractive than the Sarkozy government...

You also have to remember, we did not declare war on Germany. Hitler declared war on us. IMHO, his biggest blunder. If he had not, we would have been obligated to take care of the Pacific first.
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I am well aware that Hitler declared war on us. I also still do not believe that we should have been involved in the European theater. We definitely shouldn't have been prior to the German declaration of war, when we were providing assistance to England.

As for what Europe and Asia would look like.... the United States is not part of the Eurasian landmass so I'm not sure why we should have cared.
 
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