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Bush and Blair found guilty of war crimes for Iraq attack

Malaysia doesn't matter. It would be the same if some small, obscure country came up with a similar, controversial decision.
 
Wessexman said:
I'm no leftie but I would not object to seeing Blair arrested, though not for this nonsense. High Treason would do it for me, or a good old fashioned act of attainder.
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Your 'no leftie'? Really? Doesn't the description 'very conservative' mean left of center in Britain? Seriously, you'd want him arrested because he stopped the Thatcher/Tory rot in its tracks and decided that there actually was a Britain outside of London and the so-called 'home counties'.
 
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Objective Voice said:
I'm sure that's how some folks felt about the war crime charges levelled against members of the Nazi party or even about the trial of Saddam Hussein. I'm in no way saying that those men didn't deserve to be brought to justice, but what I am saying is just as Americans saw jusifice in the death of Nazi war criminals who committed unlawful and inmoral acts, you'd best be willing to see the same level of justice brought against our nation's leaders when they're accused of wrong-doing on an international scale.

There's plenty of evidence that prove that GW Bush and Tony Blair used false and/or misleading information to justify going to war in Iraq. I see no difference here. They just better be careful where they travel when going abroad in Asia from now on.
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You're equating Bush and Blair with Nazi war criminals? Jesus wept!

As for being careful where they travel in Asia from now on, why would anybody travel to the cesspool that is Maylasia? The only reason they still aren't speaking Japanese and bowing down to some Japanese soldier is because a lot of allied soldiers gave their lives to kick them back to Japan.
 
Harshaw said:
Provide more detail for this statement.
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I mean, the sides defending and attacking the OP would be completely changed if a conservative organization set up an obscure court and tried to impeach Obama or whatever.
This whole damn thing about making idiotic courts that nobody notices and trying to make a big deal out of them is just boring and worthless
 
Wiggen said:
You're equating Bush and Blair with Nazi war criminals? Jesus wept!

As for being careful where they travel in Asia from now on, why would anybody travel to the cesspool that is Maylasia? The only reason they still aren't speaking Japanese and bowing down to some Japanese soldier is because a lot of allied soldiers gave their lives to kick them back to Japan.
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I don't think he was saying they were evil of the same magnitude, just that evil should be punished in all cases, not just some.
 
Woohoo:shock:- a tribunal in Malaysia- that's vewy vewy scewy.:roll:

Listen- I didn't support the wars by any means, but this is a joke.
 
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In the interest of allowing them to make their case, it's a shame that these leaders wouldn't ever in a million years submit to a trial. If they're really as virtuous as they claim, they shouldn't have anything to worry about.
 
Higgins86 said:
Honestly don't care what the world thinks, I think what we did in Iraq had to be done and im personally proud to have been a part of it.
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Yeah. Who cares if the "New American Century" /Renaissance required that the American Government kill a couple of million people in the process, in most horrific ways imaginable. Like the fire bombing of Tokyo, heck, its just a footnote in history, right?

What a fine intellectual comment, from a stellar individual. Not. Sheesh. Maybe this whole internet thing was a bad idea.
 
No, just some of the idiotic postings made by people on the Far Left and the Far Right are bad ideas.
 
Objective Voice said:
I'm sure that's how some folks felt about the war crime charges levelled against members of the Nazi party or even about the trial of Saddam Hussein. I'm in no way saying that those men didn't deserve to be brought to justice, but what I am saying is just as Americans saw jusifice in the death of Nazi war criminals who committed unlawful and inmoral acts, you'd best be willing to see the same level of justice brought against our nation's leaders when they're accused of wrong-doing on an international scale.

There's plenty of evidence that prove that GW Bush and Tony Blair used false and/or misleading information to justify going to war in Iraq. I see no difference here. They just better be careful where they travel when going abroad in Asia from now on.
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anyone who seizes Bush should be killed as fast as we get a kill team in place. any government that engages in such action should be treated as enemy combatants and killed as soon as possible.
 
Kane said:
Yeah. Who cares if the "New American Century" /Renaissance required that the American Government kill a couple of million people in the process, in most horrific ways imaginable. Like the fire bombing of Tokyo, heck, its just a footnote in history, right?

What a fine intellectual comment, from a stellar individual. Not. Sheesh. Maybe this whole internet thing was a bad idea.
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I am sure the survivors of the Bataan death march and Pearl Harbor and the POW camps of Japan were crying a river over us firebombing Tokyo. The Germans treated American POWs legally and yet we firebombed Dresden. Only 1 percent of American POWs in German hands died-any many of those were injured bomber and fighter pilots. The Malmedy massacre victims were the only major instance of US POWs being murdered. 30% of US POWs were killed in Japan and far less of those were badly injured airmen.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am sure the survivors of the Bataan death march and Pearl Harbor and the POW camps of Japan were crying a river over us firebombing Tokyo. The Germans treated American POWs legally and yet we firebombed Dresden. Only 1 percent of American POWs in German hands died-any many of those were injured bomber and fighter pilots. The Malmedy massacre victims were the only major instance of US POWs being murdered. 30% of US POWs were killed in Japan and far less of those were badly injured airmen.
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The bombs were designed to burn the housing first then torch the Japanese using napalm-like incidendiary devices in that specific order, so that the Japanese had no place to run or shield themselves from attack.

Look in any historical reference on the subject. The firebombing was unnecessary as many in the military agreed the war was going to be won, also it was a war crime, being a civillian target done primarily to terrorize the country into surrendering.
 
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Kane said:
The bombs were designed to burn the housing first then torch the Japanese using napalm-like incidendiary devices in that specific order, so that the Japanese had no place to run or shield themselves from attack.

Look in any historical reference on the subject. The firebombing was unnecessary as many in the military agreed the war was going to be won, also it was a war crime, being a civillian target done primarily to terrorize the country into surrendering.
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war is hell. and after what happened at Pearl Harbor and Bataan, them's the breaks. HIrohito is lucky he wasn't hung for war crimes. and the best things that happened to Japan was getting nuked since an invasion of Japan would have resulted in at least a million more Japanese killed.

and war crimes are leveled against those WHO LOSE wars. Stalin was no better than Hitler but none of the russian officers were hung by the allies
 
Higgins86 said:
Honestly don't care what the world thinks, I think what we did in Iraq had to be done and im personally proud to have been a part of it.
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That is one of the most insane things I have ever heard of in my life, but I am glad you are honest about it. What exactly "had to be done" though in Iraq?
 
Kane said:
The bombs were designed to burn the housing first then torch the Japanese using napalm-like incidendiary devices in that specific order, so that the Japanese had no place to run or shield themselves from attack.

Look in any historical reference on the subject. The firebombing was unnecessary as many in the military agreed the war was going to be won, also it was a war crime, being a civillian target done primarily to terrorize the country into surrendering.
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Of course many in the military agreed the war was going to be won. The question was, how many dead American soldiers would it take to accomplish victory? Frankly, the job of the American military and its civilian leadership was to end the war as quickly as possible with as low a number of American casualties as possible. Every other consideration was secondary.

And in war, cities are military targets because that's where the manufacturing takes place. And in World War II, there were no such things as smart bombs.
 
Good thing it means nothing.
 
Kane said:
What a fine intellectual comment, from a stellar individual. Not. Sheesh. Maybe this whole internet thing was a bad idea.
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I wouldn't be trampling on that comment of his until a certain someone puts down the Neocon conspiracy theory to rest after their morning coffee.
 
TurtleDude said:
I am sure the survivors of the Bataan death march and Pearl Harbor and the POW camps of Japan were crying a river over us firebombing Tokyo. The Germans treated American POWs legally and yet we firebombed Dresden. Only 1 percent of American POWs in German hands died-any many of those were injured bomber and fighter pilots. The Malmedy massacre victims were the only major instance of US POWs being murdered. 30% of US POWs were killed in Japan and far less of those were badly injured airmen.
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TurtleDude said:
war is hell. and after what happened at Pearl Harbor and Bataan, them's the breaks. HIrohito is lucky he wasn't hung for war crimes. and the best things that happened to Japan was getting nuked since an invasion of Japan would have resulted in at least a million more Japanese killed.

and war crimes are leveled against those WHO LOSE wars. Stalin was no better than Hitler but none of the russian officers were hung by the allies
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Wiggen said:
Of course many in the military agreed the war was going to be won. The question was, how many dead American soldiers would it take to accomplish victory? Frankly, the job of the American military and its civilian leadership was to end the war as quickly as possible with as low a number of American casualties as possible. Every other consideration was secondary.

And in war, cities are military targets because that's where the manufacturing takes place. And in World War II, there were no such things as smart bombs.
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I'm sure you'd both agree that the nukes on Japan were not necessary, were only used to display U.S. post-war dominance, and were used asfter the war in Japan was won, as U.S. officialls admit?

(just so that we get our history leeson accurate.)
 
Malaysia's kangaroo court opinion is insignificant. Meaningless. Why should we take them seriously?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]Bush and Blair found guilty of war crimes for Iraq attack - Salon.comWell im not expecting anything to really come from this? To bad our own courts cant hold people responsible like this. Kind of shows what the world thinks of us, our foreign policy, and most of all these two men.

Thoughts?
Comments?
Response?
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"the tribunal wanted at least formal legal recognition of these war crimes to be recorded and the evidence of their guilt assembled"

So basically, according to these folks, they were "guilty" and fabricated a show to get it on record.

Guilty until proven guilty? Nice.
 
Meathead said:
That which was done.
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Remove a secular dictatorship and replace it with a pseudo Democratic Muslim theocracy? Stop women going to college, attending public parks, etc?
 
Wake said:
Malaysia's kangaroo court opinion is insignificant. Meaningless. Why should we take them seriously?
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America doesn't really take any court seriously, do they? What about the World Court regarding Nicaragua with Reagan? Is that court sufficient enough for the American egalitarian armed forces?
 
Oglaigh said:
America doesn't really take any court seriously, do they? What about the World Court regarding Nicaragua with Reagan? Is that court sufficient enough for the American egalitarian armed forces?
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America tends to take American courts seriously. Question: What would you think if Malaysia decreed Obama was guilty of war crimes?
 
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