Thread: Bush and Blair found guilty of war crimes for Iraq attack

Originally Posted by Kane

"Admiral Kimmel, in a 1958 interview, articulated the reason he and General Short were kept in the dark about the impending attack -- Roosevelt needed the attack a pretext to enter the war. "

9-11 Review: The Pearl Harbor Attack

Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

"In November, 1940, FDR ordered the Red Cross Disaster Relief director to secretly prepare for massive casualties at Pearl Harbor because he was going to let it be attacked."

DID FDR ALLOW JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR ON PURPOSE? | Steven Robert Travers | Blog Post | Red Room

Originally Posted by Kane

I'm sure you'd both agree that the nukes on Japan were not necessary, were only used to display U.S. post-war dominance, and were used asfter the war in Japan was won, as U.S. officialls admit?

(just so that we get our history leeson accurate.)

Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca

It was a n-u-c-l-e-a-r bomb. If dropping a nuke on a city is not intentionally targeting civilian populations, then nothing is.


Well, I guess there's nothing to say to that, you clearly do not believe in the geneva convention, the rules of war, or even downright dignity, but at least you admit it.


In Afghanistan, if there were insurgents hiding in a local village, we would engage the insurgents in the buildings that they were hiding, using the maximum necessary force possible. We did not, however, drop a MOAB and level the entire village, killing 200 people to get to 20 insurgents. You can not use the guise of war to do whatever the hell you want. There are just, and unjust killings.

You condone the intentional killing of civilians, and I accuse you of having no honor whatsoever.

Right. And another unjust killing were the troops at Pearl Harbor that were sacrificed.

"Historians are still arguing over whether President Franklin Roosevelt knew in advance that Japanese forces were about to launch a devastating attack against the U.S. Pacific fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941.

Mr. Roger A. Stolley, a resident of Salem, Oregon, has something important to add to this discussion. In the following essay, which first appeared in the Salem daily Statesman Journal, December 7, 1991, he provides personal information to confirm that Roosevelt not only anticipated the Japanese attack, but specifically ordered that no steps be taken to prevent it. (Mr. Stolley's essay is reprinted here with grateful permission of the author.)

John Toland, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian who addressed the October 1990 IHR conference in Washington, DC, tells us that Stolley's essay "rings true."

HISTORICAL NEWS AND COMMENT: ROGER A. STOLLEY: Pearl Harbor Attack No Surprise

Originally Posted by Kane

You are a right winger.

Well, if you believe that, please feel free to prove it.

Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY

You made a thread about a rightwing talkshow host just about too radical for airwaves and were talking about planning on reading his book werent you?

That does not a republican make. Perhaps you should read my thread titled "Thoughts from a Disillusioned Republican."

Originally Posted by Wake

Well, if you believe that, please feel free to prove it.That does not a republican make. Perhaps you should read my thread titled "Thoughts from a Disillusioned Republican."

So you're disillusioned.... and a republican?.....

Originally Posted by Kane

"Admiral Kimmel, in a 1958 interview, articulated the reason he and General Short were kept in the dark about the impending attack -- Roosevelt needed the attack a pretext to enter the war. "

9-11 Review: The Pearl Harbor Attack

Do Freedom of Information Act Files Prove FDR Had Foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute

"In November, 1940, FDR ordered the Red Cross Disaster Relief director to secretly prepare for massive casualties at Pearl Harbor because he was going to let it be attacked."

DID FDR ALLOW JAPANESE ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR ON PURPOSE? | Steven Robert Travers | Blog Post | Red Room

Oh my! You mean there are still people out there that think FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked on December 7th?

Originally Posted by Kane

I'm sure you'd both agree that the nukes on Japan were not necessary, were only used to display U.S. post-war dominance, and were used asfter the war in Japan was won, as U.S. officialls admit?

(just so that we get our history leeson accurate.)

If by necessary, you mean they weren't the only option available, you're correct. The other option was to put 1 million American troops on the ground to invade the Japanese mainland, costing hundreds of thousands of American lives and killing more civilians than the two nukes killed, combined.

Not to mention, that the Japanese were very close to fielding a nuke and had even gotten so far, as to plan a test detination for 12 August 1945.

So, in the sense avoiding another 2+ years of war and hundreds of thousands of American casualties and probably millions of Japanese casualties, it was very necessary.

Originally Posted by apdst

Oh my! You mean there are still people out there that think FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked on December 7th?

There is no statute of limitations on stupidity.

Are they all govmnt stenographers? The most censorship by the Lamestream media on any particular subject in some time. Libya, all the liberal talk hosts hope to ignore the subject and then hope for a quick Obama victory. Then, they will all in unison boast a victory for the Party and defend this horrendous illegal invasion, saying "See - the President made the right decision."

Oh gee - look on the Ed Schultz show on 8.25.11 - did I call it or what?

"Ben Adler from the Nation joins the 2nd hour of Thursday's show to tell us how the conservative media are losing their minds now that Obama has another foreign policy victory under his belt"

Originally Posted by Higgins86

Honestly don't care what the world thinks, I think what we did in Iraq had to be done and im personally proud to have been a part of it.

Originally Posted by Kane

Yeah. Who cares if the "New American Century" /Renaissance required that the American Government kill a couple of million people in the process, in most horrific ways imaginable. Like the fire bombing of Tokyo, heck, its just a footnote in history, right?

What a fine intellectual comment, from a stellar individual. Not. Sheesh. Maybe this whole internet thing was a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Wiggen

No, just some of the idiotic postings made by people on the Far Left and the Far Right are bad ideas.

"I am the winner and the world belongs to me."

Originally Posted by apdst

Oh my! You mean there are still people out there that think FDR knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked on December 7th?

Or that Barack Obama was born in Kenya?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

No my motivation wasnt to piss you off. Im just saying it seems your pissed and im sorry i posted something that pissed you off.. .

Actually the link that you posted made me laugh.