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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Which they likely would have rendered useless anyways because bin Laden was killed, and I'm sure that a downed military helicopter would have clued Al Qaeda that the U.S. or an ally was the reason for it.
    It's an article man, not the whole book. You'd have to read that to know what he has to say about that helicopter. Of course it would have been rendered useless eventually, but any delay is good.
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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Any delay would have been minimal, and the intelligence rendered useless within hours of the attack, long before any of it could be made of use.
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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Any delay would have been minimal, and the intelligence rendered useless within hours of the attack, long before any of it could be made of use.
    Maybe I don't understand your post. But I am inclined to think that it is just simply wrong.

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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    I don't really believe any of the stories, and I don't believe the general public will ever know the true story anyway. We never really knew Osama Bin Laden. We knew him through what our government told us about him - the tapes, the historical record, his family's prestige, etc. And now because he was killed, we won't get to go through the proceeding where the public gets to meet the so-called monster.

    For all we know this guy was just an actor, a boogey man, to fuel a campaign. Please keep in mind, I don't actually believe that either, I'm just saying... this war is very important to some people and the way Bin Laden died and the story came out, it was all so neat and tidy.

    We will never know what really happened.

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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Well I don't think this was unexpected. I mean they aren't going to take someone contesting the story lying down. We don't know what kind of fiction could be on either side.
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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The point that the author is making is that had they withheld the news of bin Laden's death for a while, it was have delayed the loss of usefulness of the intel.
    They only could have delayed that information from the public. Al Qaeda would probably have figured things out pretty quick, though. My guess is that they knew Bin Laden was dead before the general public did anyway.

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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Well I don't think this was unexpected. I mean they aren't going to take someone contesting the story lying down. We don't know what kind of fiction could be on either side.
    The article does makes a great point about the simple facts that are incorrect in the book, like when McRaven was appointed and by whom.

    Such simple, easily checked facts being portrayed in error do raise serious credibility concerns about the author. If he can't get simple, public record information correct, then it is absolutely absurd to trust the "top secret" info he is presenting.

    If the article is accurate about the public record inaccuracies in the book, the author has 0 credibility.

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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Maybe I don't understand your post. But I am inclined to think that it is just simply wrong.
    The leader of Al Qaeda is dead. There are many eyewitnesses to the raid, because it's in a city. Al Jazeera was reporting on it before Obama said anything. The world (not just Bin Laden's main lieutenants) had gotten an inkling of what had happened within hours of the raid with no help from the White House press secretary, and within days, the world would have found out. Obama had two options: release the information quickly and everyone celebrates or try to cover up the raid, watch the cover up completely fail within days, look like a jack-ass, and the intelligence is still just as useless. The information was getting out before the intelligence could be used no matter what the White House did.
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    Re: Correcting the ‘fairy tale’: A SEAL’s account of how Osama bin Laden really died

    More developments:

    Spec ops command: SEAL raid book ‘a lie’ - Marine Corps News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Marine Corps Times

    WASHINGTON — The U.S. Special Operations Command is calling a former Navy SEAL’s book bogus over its claims to describe the “real” version of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

    “It’s just not true,” U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col. Tim Nye said. “It’s not how it happened.”

    Packed with conspiracy theories and attacks on the Obama White House, Chuck Pfarrer’s “SEAL Target Geronimo” claims an alternative version of the raid in which the SEAL team shot bin Laden within 90 seconds of arriving at the Pakistan compound where the al-Qaida mastermind was holed up.
    Is this going to descend into a he-said, she-said kinda deal?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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