Obama Annihilates the Economy in Record Time

Orius said:

Wow... I guess America must have more black people than I realized! They alone have crippled the economy with their awesome borrowing tendencies!

The removal of consequences for irresponsible lending was due to deregulation of the economy, started by Republicans. Bush's policy accelerated deregulation instead of acknowledging its inevitable downfalls. Of course, Democratic Presidents have towed the status quo as well.

C'mon, this is basic information.

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The lending market ate itself because it was greedy.

aquapub said:

Objecting to Obama's crippling, backwards policies is painting him as some sort of Disney Villain? Um...sure. What a reasonable, intelligent response. :lol:

I love how liberals respond to intellectual confrontation:

1) You're mean.

2) You're stupid.

3) You're a homo.

Congratulations. :applaud

You've gone with option #1. Let me know if any of you decide to try and form some kind of actual counterpoint. :coffeepap

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Typical of the classic three radical conservative responses to any debate:

1) I'm right because I said so. Shut up. LALALALALALALA (covering my ears) LALALALALALALA
2) Prove it? :bolt
3) :2bigcry:

Let's see, aqua has chosen #1.

Congratulations. We'll wait for #2 and #3. And while we are waiting...

Moderator's Warning:

Since I see nothing here but aqua's typical soapboxing, poorly yet, covertly covered as as a Poll, I'm sending this where it belongs. Partisan Politics.

And by the way. MASSIVE. CRUSHING. ANNIHILATES. THIS is the problem with the US today. Overdramatic partisan hacks.

And, for those of you wondering what the purpose of this thread was, here you go, from aquapub, himself:

aquapub said:

I am in no place to join you in criticizing people for using polls to make a statement

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And THAT should about do it. :hammer:

I honestly cannot say i could click on any of those options.

Where is the "Failed to stand up to Pelosi" option?

Bodhisattva said:

You labeled me as non-conservative out of the blue the first time, because I dared to go against Bush on an issue. .

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Just to clarify, doesn't this suggest that Aquapub is not a Conservative has he has bent over backwards to defend Bush and calls everyone who criticizes Bush not a Conservative? Since we all Bush is anything but a Conservative it would logically conclude that Aquapub who appears to adamantly defend him wouldn't be one either.

CaptainCourtesy said:

Typical of the classic three radical conservative responses to any debate:

1) I'm right because I said so. Shut up. LALALALALALALA (covering my ears) LALALALALALALA
2) Prove it? :bolt
3) :2bigcry:

Let's see, aqua has chosen #1.

Congratulations. We'll wait for #2 and #3. And while we are waiting...

Moderator's Warning:

Since I see nothing here but aqua's typical soapboxing, poorly yet, covertly covered as as a Poll, I'm sending this where it belongs. Partisan Politics.

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:lol:

I see your fair and balanced judgement is alive and well. :donkeyfla

Incidentally, if you would bother to actually comprehend what you read before hurling BS partisan smears, you would notice that I posted proof of my points whenever liberals here stopped hurling smears long enough to form any kind of actual counterpoint.

Example:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...tes-economy-record-time-3.html#post1057946218

Or, to put it in terms even you can understand, your personal attack here is utterly crap, while the 3 liberal responses I regularly list are regularly proven true, as with the overwhelming "you're mean" response to me pointing out that Democrats caused this crisis.
You should consider working for MSNBC.

Orius said:

Wow... I guess America must have more black people than I realized! They alone have crippled the economy with their awesome borrowing tendencies!

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It was done on behalf of black people, but it included poor people, in general. No one here is blaming blacks, just Democrats.

Orius said:

The removal of consequences for irresponsible lending was due to deregulation of the economy, started by Republicans.

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1) This parrotting of provably false liberal talking points referring to the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act doesn't pass the laugh test. It was signed into law by a Democrat (Bill Clinton), and even the New York Times (which hasn't endorsed a single Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower) has confirmed that this irrelevant piece of bundling deregulation had nothing whatsoever to do with the collapse.

The New York Times even warned in 1999 that Democrats would specifically destroy the economy in exactly the way it has been destroyed if they did not back off on forcing banks to make bad loans to black people.

Try again. :2wave:

Orius said:

Bush's policy accelerated deregulation instead of acknowledging its inevitable downfalls. Of course, Democratic Presidents have towed the status quo as well.

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Total BS. :liar2

Bush majorly ramped up oversight in 2002 and repeatedly tried to address the dangers of Fannie Mae (dozens of times over eight years), but was blocked by Democrats along party lines every time.

This is just like the left's response to California's half-baked "deregulation" expiriment with energy, where they left insane nanny state price controls in place to ensure that it would be a disaster...then, the news media relentlessly rushed in to cover it as a failure of deregulation, rather than a failure of nanny state interference, which is what it was.

Orius said:

C'mon, this is basic information.

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Basic partisan misinformation, sure.

See Captain Courtesy==> You get what you give. Orius posted an actual counterpoint and he got an actual debate. When you mindlessly hurl bogus grade school taunts, you get a non-serious debate. Try to grasp it.

Lerxst said:

Oh. My. God. Did you just go there? You're blaming blacks? You're telling me that the Democrats forced the banks to lend to blacks and now here we are?

Seriously. Aqua, you're living up to your reputation. This is just silly and you can in no way substantiate this claim.

What is it with the right wing extremists today?

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And I quote:

"The CRA was passed by the 95th United States Congress and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter in 1977. It was passed as a result of national pressure to address the deteriorating conditions of American cities—particularly lower-income and minority neighborhoods."

FRB: Speech, Bernanke--The Community Reinvestment Act: Its Evolution and New Challenges-March 30, 2007

Next BS smear please. :coffeepap

Lerxst said:

The lending market ate itself because it was greedy.

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:bs

Corporate greed doesn't explain why banks knowingly made bad loans that they were going to lose money on. That defies common sense. That's the kind of idiocy you only get with liberal Affirmative Action lending policies.

CaptainCourtesy said:

And by the way. MASSIVE. CRUSHING. ANNIHILATES. THIS is the problem with the US today. Overdramatic partisan hacks.

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Imposing one of the biggest tax hikes in US history on those who create all the jobs in the middle of a severe recession isn't "massive" or "crushing?" Um...sure. You have noticed that the Dow is half what it was, right?

The problem in the US today is actually rampant liberal misinformation [/I, well that, and this kind of comically stupid hyperventilating over "dramatic" (i.e., accurate) terminology.

CaptainCourtesy said:

And, for those of you wondering what the purpose of this thread was, here you go, from aquapub, himself:

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The fact that you need to spell out something I openly admit to on a regular basis-that I sometimes post polls to make a point-with quotes from me, like you've revealed something that was hidden, kind of speaks for itself.

:lol:

So...five pages in, we have liberals finally starting to at least attempt to make something vaguely resembling a counterpoint...But the facts unmistakably prove their DNC explanation for how we got here to be utter crap.

So...if we are done hyperventilating over how mean I must be to actually bother pointing out what blatant BS it is for the "post-partisan" candidate for "change" to incessantly blame Republicans (the ones who were screaming from the rooftops to prevent this disaster), please, let's get on with the business of identifying Obama as the sleazy partisan extremist he is and be done with it.

aquapub said:

And I quote:

"The CRA was passed by the 95th United States Congress and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter in 1977. It was passed as a result of national pressure to address the deteriorating conditions of American cities—particularly lower-income and minority neighborhoods."

FRB: Speech, Bernanke--The Community Reinvestment Act: Its Evolution and New Challenges-March 30, 2007

Next BS smear please. :coffeepap

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The BS smear is your work. The CRA was an act that didn't force bad loans, it addressed credit discrimination based upon race and economic disparity. It didn't say "you have to loan to blacks or the poor regardless of their ability to pay." It said you have to loan to remove race and excessively arbitrary geographical economic concerns (i.e. "we aren't going to book a loan on property in this area because it's been redlined and only poor minorities live in that area) as a factor from your lending practices and brought them into line with regulations that required them to actually service communities in which they were charted, for which banking institutions were given incentive to do (FDIC protection is a prime example).

The CRA was in no way so restrictive that it forced institutions to make bad loans. It gave the banks great latitude to lend responsibly but made their practices transparent and held consequences for those found to be racially discriminatory in their lending.

Commission hungry secondary mortgage lenders who booked high risk mortgages in high volume without due diligence in regards to credit worthiness and then sold them to institutions who also failed due diligence (the sub-prime blowup) was a product of greed.

Democrats didn't cause this, bad lending practices caused this.

aquapub said:

:bs

Corporate greed doesn't explain why banks knowingly made bad loans that they were going to lose money on. That defies common sense. That's the kind of idiocy you only get with liberal Affirmative Action lending policies.

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Your utter lack of understanding of banking and lending practices is showing, right along with your hyper partisan spots.

obvious Child said:

Just to clarify, doesn't this suggest that Aquapub is not a Conservative has he has bent over backwards to defend Bush and calls everyone who criticizes Bush not a Conservative? Since we all Bush is anything but a Conservative it would logically conclude that Aquapub who appears to adamantly defend him wouldn't be one either.

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Aqua is in a class all by himself here. How any person can come up with the **** he does is beyond me. He whines about smears and then turns around and tells the other person they are whining. He complains about anybody that complains about anything Republican a Liberal, even if they aren't. It isn't about whining, it is about being honest. Any person that deludes themselves into thinking that every thing that they do is one thing or the other is delusion. I am sure that if we really knew aquapub, we would find out that he does, in fact, support certain liberal policies, even if it is something as simple as having the government help people in certain situations. True conservative politics is about government being out of peoples lives except for taxes, police, fire and running the post office. That's about it. People need to help themselves almost everywhere else. He is a closet Liberal and doesn't even know it, for like you said, he supports an almost Liberal Bush Administration.

As we all know, Republicans love a good scare. They are only happy when they’re terrifying each other, or unsuspecting bystanders, with lies and other nonsense.



If you want to get Republicans out of bed, you don’t need a conventional fire alarm. What you should have is a 130-decibel recording of Rush Limbaugh shrieking –



Pork pork porkulus! Rationed socialized health care! Birth certificate! The new Carter! Fairness doctrine! Liberals liberals liberals liberals! Biased media! Global-warming hoax! Guantanamo terrorists on the streets! Chicago corruption! Where’s the change! Welfare! Fox news alert! Gun gun gun gun confiscation! Socialism socialism socialism! Bullet train to Vegas! FEMA murderers! Baby killing! Fear fear fear! Failed New Deal! Gays gays gays gays attacking marriage! It’s aaaaaaalll Clinton’s fault! The new Reagan’s coming! Center-right country! Barack HOOOOOOOOOOSSEIN Obamaaaaaaaa! ALLAAAAAAAHU AKBAR!


Any Republican in the house will leap out of his bed like he’s been electrocuted, screw himself into the ceiling like Sylvester the Cat, and then run out onto the front lawn and soil his pants.



Kinda like when BJ Hunnicutt made a gigantic mud puddle outside Frank Burns’ front door and then shouted “AIR RAID!”

Lerxst said:

Well there are right wingers on this very board who are attributing the current economic crisis directly to Obama. Cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

Look, Obama is a terrorist. If you aren't for us you are against us, and he worked with the Weather Underground on fomenting dissent throughout Chicago. It's no suprise that once elected President he would launch his diabolical scheme to destroy America, unless.....

We pay ONE BILLION DOLLARS! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Lerxst said:

The BS smear is your work. The CRA was an act that didn't force bad loans, it addressed credit discrimination based upon race and economic disparity.

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:lol:

Yeah, the same way Affirmative Action "addressed" discrimination (both real and imagined) in the workplace...by forcing a Special Olympics version of the qualifications for hiring blacks.

Incidentally, the New York Times disagrees with your entire assessment here...or at least it did when it was warning Democrats to stop doing what you're claiming they never did with this law-threatening to drag banks into court, fine them, and brand them as racist for not making bad loans to unqualified blacks.

Let's deal with this first misstatement of yours and then we'll come back to the rest.

aquapub said:

I love how liberals respond to intellectual confrontation:

1) You're mean.

2) You're stupid.

3) You're a homo.

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No, its just that everyone thinks that your mean, stupid, and crazy. Although that number three you listed could have been a Freudian slip on your part.

SouthernDemocrat said:

No, its just that everyone thinks that your mean, stupid, and crazy. Although that number three you listed could have been a Freudian slip on your part.

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Hence, my point. :lol:

Liberals always think anyone who disagrees with their backwards, disastrous idiocy is mean/crazy, stupid, or a homo. It's just the way under-developed minds respond to facts and evidence.

Thank you for demonstrating. :2wave:

I'll take your continued avoidance of the points made, in exchange for BS grade school jabs and taunts, as further confirmation that you have no counterpoint.

Next. :coffeepap

Partisan Democract. Bring on the pinko, gay loving, christian hating, socialist party!

:2party:

Intransigent Atheist said:

Partisan Democract. Bring on the pinko, gay loving, christian hating, socialist party!

:2party:

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Admitting it is the first step. :bravo:

Obama killed the dinosaurs. I seen it.

aquapub said:

Hence, my point. :lol:

Liberals always think anyone who disagrees with their backwards, disastrous idiocy is mean/crazy, stupid, or a homo. It's just the way under-developed minds respond to facts and evidence.

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There are tons of very thoughtful conservatives. You have simply not demonstrated yourself to be one of them. You see I don't think every conservative is mean, crazy, or stupid. Just you.

Tucker Case said:

Obama killed the dinosaurs. I seen it.

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That's a lie. The dinosaurs were late getting to the Ark, and thus drowned in the Great Flood. Their bones were then preserved for all of eternity to remind man of the importance of not being tardy.

SouthernDemocrat said:

That's a lie. The dinosaurs were late getting to the Ark, and thus drowned in the Great Flood. Their bones were then preserved for all of eternity to remind man of the importance of not being tardy.

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Obama caused the great flood!!!!

Tucker Case said:

Obama caused the great flood!!!!

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Genesis 6:5-13

When the LORD saw how great was Obama's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his heart conceived was ever anything but evil, he regretted that he had made Democrats on the earth, and his heart was grieved. So the LORD said: "I will wipe out from the earth all of whom voted for Obama the wicked one in the 3500 BC election, and not only the men, but also the beasts and the creeping things and the birds of the air, for I am sorry that I made them."

But Noah the Good Republican found favor with the LORD. These are the descendants of Noah. Noah, a good Republican man and blameless in that age, for he listened to the prophet Rush, begot three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth. In the eyes of God the earth was corrupt and full of liberals. When God saw how corrupt the earth had become, since all mortals led depraved liberal lives on earth, he said to Noah: "I have decided to put an end to all mortals on earth; the earth is full of liberal lawlessness because of them. So I will destroy them and all life on earth.

So yeah, a close examination of scripture proves you are correct.

If only we had read the following warning after the flood waters receded as well:

Genesis 9:11
I will establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all bodily creatures be destroyed by the waters of a flood; there shall not be another flood to devastate the earth.....Unless you vote for Obama The Wicked One again."