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DP Military Veterans: Did Murtha bemirch the troops

Did John Murtha betray the troops with slander and false accusations


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Did John Murtha bismirch and slander the troops when he accused Marines who were later found innocent (not just not guilty) of murder?



Yes or no.


Thank you.
 
This poll is for Military Veterans only.


Did John Murtha bismirch and slander the troops when he accused Marines who were later found innocent (not just not guilty) of murder?



Yes or no.


Thank you.

Here is a pol almost caught with his hand in the cookie jar{abscam} slandering soldiers before they are even tried.

Obviously I voted yes.

Moe
 
If your referring to this.

YouTube - Murtha calls Marines Murderers


No and here is why.

Timeline: The Haditha Investigation

Wednesday, August 02, 2006

By The Associated Press

A timeline of events surrounding the alleged massacre at Haditha, Iraq, based on a June 1 White House account and other details compiled by The Associated Press:
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Nov. 19: A roadside bomb goes off at Haditha, killing a U.S. Marine and injuring two other members of his battalion. In the following hours, a number of Iraqis die. Subsequent press reports say the Iraqi death toll was 24. The military sends a team to investigate and document the scene.

Nov. 20: The Marines release a preliminary report saying 15 Iraqis had been killed by an IED, or improvised explosive device.

Feb. 10: Time magazine raises questions with military sources in Baghdad about the circumstances of the Iraqi deaths.

Feb. 14: Army Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, commander of Multi-National Corps in Iraq, appoints an Army colonel to lead an investigation into the case.

March 3: A preliminary report is completed and recommends further investigation.

March 9: Chiarelli receives the initial findings of the preliminary investigation and directs further review.

March 10: Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are notified of the case.

March 11: President Bush is told of the case for the first time by National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley.

March 12: Marine Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer, commanding general of the Multinational Force-West, appoints a Marine colonel to investigate reporting of information at all levels of the chain of command. Zilmer also requests a Naval Criminal Investigative Service inquiry.

March 13: The Naval Criminal Investigative Service team arrives in Haditha.

March 19: Time magazine reports the first public account of the case. Chiarelli appoints Army Major General Eldon A. Bargewell to investigate the training and preparation of Marines before Haditha killings, along with the reporting of information concerning the case at all levels of the chain of command.

May 17: Rep. John Murtha, an Iraq war critic, says the Pentagon probe will show that Marines killed more than a dozen innocent Iraqi civilians"in cold blood"in Haditha.

June 3: Murtha expresses concern thatthere may have been an attempt by some in the military to hide information about the killings.

June 7: Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, says any Marine found to have violated standards of behavior will be held accountable but that he'll wait until criminal investigations are completed before he removing any commanders from their posts

June 10: Neal A. Puckett, lawyer for a sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident, says the unit followed military rules of engagement, did not intentionally target any civilians and did not try to cover up what it had done. Puckett says his client, Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told him several civilians were killed when his squad pursued insurgents firing at them from inside a house after the bombing.

June 16: Bargewell, the Army general investigating a possible cover-up in the deaths, says his report has been completed.

June 21: The Los Angeles Times reports that Bargewell's investigation concludes that senior military personnel in Iraq did not follow up on potential inaccuracies in early accounts of the deaths.

July 7: A U.S. military official says Chiarelli agrees with Bargewell's report that errors were made in the reporting and follow-up of initial allegations after the killings.

Aug. 2: In a federal lawsuit, Wuterich accuses Murtha of defaming him in public comments about the case.

Aug. 2: Pentagon officials say evidence collected in the Haditha probe supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot the civilians, including unarmed women and children. Marine and Navy prosecutors will review the evidence and determine whether to recommend criminal charges.




FOXNews.com - Timeline: The Haditha Investigation
 
If your referring to this.

YouTube - Murtha calls Marines Murderers


No and here is why.

Timeline: The Haditha Investigation

Wednesday, August 02, 2006

By The Associated Press

A timeline of events surrounding the alleged massacre at Haditha, Iraq, based on a June 1 White House account and other details compiled by The Associated Press:
___
Nov. 19: A roadside bomb goes off at Haditha, killing a U.S. Marine and injuring two other members of his battalion. In the following hours, a number of Iraqis die. Subsequent press reports say the Iraqi death toll was 24. The military sends a team to investigate and document the scene.

Nov. 20: The Marines release a preliminary report saying 15 Iraqis had been killed by an IED, or improvised explosive device.

Feb. 10: Time magazine raises questions with military sources in Baghdad about the circumstances of the Iraqi deaths.

Feb. 14: Army Lt. Gen. Peter Chiarelli, commander of Multi-National Corps in Iraq, appoints an Army colonel to lead an investigation into the case.

March 3: A preliminary report is completed and recommends further investigation.

March 9: Chiarelli receives the initial findings of the preliminary investigation and directs further review.

March 10: Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are notified of the case.

March 11: President Bush is told of the case for the first time by National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley.

March 12: Marine Maj. Gen. Richard C. Zilmer, commanding general of the Multinational Force-West, appoints a Marine colonel to investigate reporting of information at all levels of the chain of command. Zilmer also requests a Naval Criminal Investigative Service inquiry.

March 13: The Naval Criminal Investigative Service team arrives in Haditha.

March 19: Time magazine reports the first public account of the case. Chiarelli appoints Army Major General Eldon A. Bargewell to investigate the training and preparation of Marines before Haditha killings, along with the reporting of information concerning the case at all levels of the chain of command.

May 17: Rep. John Murtha, an Iraq war critic, says the Pentagon probe will show that Marines killed more than a dozen innocent Iraqi civilians"in cold blood"in Haditha.

June 3: Murtha expresses concern thatthere may have been an attempt by some in the military to hide information about the killings.

June 7: Gen. Michael Hagee, the Marine commandant, says any Marine found to have violated standards of behavior will be held accountable but that he'll wait until criminal investigations are completed before he removing any commanders from their posts

June 10: Neal A. Puckett, lawyer for a sergeant who led a squad of Marines during the incident, says the unit followed military rules of engagement, did not intentionally target any civilians and did not try to cover up what it had done. Puckett says his client, Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, 26, told him several civilians were killed when his squad pursued insurgents firing at them from inside a house after the bombing.

June 16: Bargewell, the Army general investigating a possible cover-up in the deaths, says his report has been completed.

June 21: The Los Angeles Times reports that Bargewell's investigation concludes that senior military personnel in Iraq did not follow up on potential inaccuracies in early accounts of the deaths.

July 7: A U.S. military official says Chiarelli agrees with Bargewell's report that errors were made in the reporting and follow-up of initial allegations after the killings.

Aug. 2: In a federal lawsuit, Wuterich accuses Murtha of defaming him in public comments about the case.

Aug. 2: Pentagon officials say evidence collected in the Haditha probe supports accusations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot the civilians, including unarmed women and children. Marine and Navy prosecutors will review the evidence and determine whether to recommend criminal charges.




FOXNews.com - Timeline: The Haditha Investigation





Thanks man, that rocks. See Murtha made his comments before the Aug 9th pentagon statment. meaning he slandered the troops without evidence, furthermore, what say you about him refusing to apologize after they were found "not Guilty" and "innocent"
 
Here is a pol almost caught with his hand in the cookie jar{abscam} slandering soldiers before they are even tried.

Obviously I voted yes.

Moe
I see! Murtha is not indicted or tried for anything but you think he's guilty. Then he makes statements based on what he thought was the truth (and for the most part was proven wrong) and again you think he's guilty without a trial...which is what you're angry at him for; convicting without a trial....very revealing...
 
I see! Murtha is not indicted or tried for anything but you think he's guilty. Then he makes statements based on what he thought was the truth (and for the most part was proven wrong) and again you think he's guilty without a trial...which is what you're angry at him for; convicting without a trial....very revealing...




Why did you leave out where he refused to apologize when he was found out to be wrong?
 
Why did you leave out where he refused to apologize when he was found out to be wrong?
I didn't because it is not germane to my post. I wrote that he was proven wrong. You said he lied and slandered Marines. I said what he claimed was wrong but it was not done with malice. You're taking what I wrote out of context...you're good at that.
 
I didn't because it is not germane to my post. I wrote that he was proven wrong. You said he lied and slandered Marines. I said what he claimed was wrong but it was not done with malice. You're taking what I wrote out of context...you're good at that.




Actually bringing that up puts your selective posting into context as he still stands by his claims as far as I know....

This makes him a betrayer of the Marines and all those who served.


Try to keep up.


BTW when and where did you serve again?
 
Actually bringing that up puts your selective posting into context as he still stands by his claims as far as I know....

This makes him a betrayer of the Marines and all those who served.


Try to keep up.


BTW when and where did you serve again?
Your question is:

Did John Murtha betray the troops with slander and false accusations?
Slander and false accusations? No, he made allegations at the time that he thought were true.

Your question doesn't have anything to do with be a "betrayer." Stop changing the subject of your own thread!
 
Your question is:

Did John Murtha betray the troops with slander and false accusations?
Slander and false accusations? No, he made allegations at the time that he thought were true.

Your question doesn't have anything to do with be a "betrayer." Stop changing the subject of your own thread!




Why are you avoiding my question again? When and where did you serve?


And why are you playing semantics games.

He made untrue statments without evidence.


I have no evidence that you are a pedophile, so can I call you one without it being slander?


you are as usual hoplessly wrong. :lol:
 
what say you about him refusing to apologize after they were found "not Guilty" and "innocent"

They were found 'not guilty'? By which court? Where was the trial? Alright here I'll explain. They weren't found neither GUILTY nor INNOCENT. They were granted immunity. Meaning the testimonies they gave could not be used against them in court like they would be in in civilian court. Think of it as a Sammy the Bull military style. If you hush, hush we won't hit you as hard. This basically guaranteed that the charges against them would be dropped against most of them without a trial. Not that they would be proven 'guilty' or 'not guilty'. That is proven in a court room. Which they didn't even enter.

On April 17, 2007, the Marine Corps dropped all charges against Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz in exchange for his testimony. Seven other Marines involved in the incident have also been granted immunity.[48]

On August 9, 2007, all charges against Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt and Capt. Randy Stone were dropped.[35] On October 19th, Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt's commanding officer decided the charges should be lowered to involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault.[10]

On September 18, 2007, all charges against Captain Lucas McConnell were dropped in exchange for immunity and his cooperation with the investigation.[49]

On March 28, 2008, all charges against LCpl. Stephen Tatum were dropped.[50]

On June 17, 2008, all charges against Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani were dismissed by the military judge citing unlawful command influence.
[12] The Marine Corps has appealed that ruling.[51]

So where was the trial Reverend? :roll: For somebody to be found 'guilty' or 'innocent' of a crime there has to be a trial am I correct? And if the charges against them are dropped in exchange for 'cooperation' does that mean they were 'innocent' or 'guilty'? I await your reply.
 
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They were found 'not guilty'? By which court? Where was the trial? Alright here I'll explain. They weren't found neither GUILTY nor INNOCENT. They were granted immunity. Meaning the testimonies they gave could not be used against them in court like they would be in in civilian court. Think of it as a Sammy the Bull military style. If you hush, hush we won't hit you as hard. This basically guaranteed that the charges against them would be dropped against most of them.



So where was the trial Reverend? :roll: For somebody to be found 'guilty' or 'innocent' of a crime there has to be a trial am I correct? And if the charges against them are dropped in exchanged for 'cooperation' does that mean they were 'innocent' or 'guilty'? I await your reply.





US Marine acquitted of all charges in Haditha killings




Though this is not the purpose of this thread, here you go....


"Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt, was exonerated of three counts of unpremeditated murder and was declared INNOCENT of all charges."

Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt


James Mattis went further than finding Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt not guilty; he called the 22-year-old “innocent.”

FrontPage Magazine



Now if you want to discuss your incorrect assumptions you can start a thread on it. This one has a specific scope and purpose.
 

ROFL :

You're getting REALLY desperate aren't you?

Haditha killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First Lieutenant Andrew Grayson was charged with obstruction of justice, dereliction of duty, and making a false statement, while Captain Randy Stone and Captain Lucas McConnell were charged with dereliction of duty. Stone also faced an additional count of violating a lawful order.[33] All charges against Stone were later dropped.[35] Grayson was acquitted on all counts.[36]

He wasn't even charged with any of the murders so how he was cleared of actually murdering is beyond me. But I'll wait for you to realize that part.

Though this is not the purpose of this thread, here you go....

"Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt, was exonerated of three counts of unpremeditated murder and was declared INNOCENT of all charges."

Lance Corporal Justin Sharratt

Once again : Granted Immunity. Which made it highly unlikely that any charges would be brought against them.

James Mattis went further than finding Lance Cpl. Justin Sharratt not guilty; he called the 22-year-old “innocent.”

FrontPage Magazine


Now if you want to discuss your incorrect assumptions you can start a thread on it. This one has a specific scope and purpose.

Did you read anything that I said? You said they were proven innocent. Now how could they have been proven innocent when what happened was that they were granted immunity? Do you even know what being granted immunity means?
 
Kind of looks like you have a hard on for Murtha Rev. Seems a shame, seeing as he is a decorated Viet Nam vet with a Bronze Star, a couple of purple hearts, as well as the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. Of course we all know how you feel about Dems with medals don’t we?

Let me run this by you, Murtha was a former Drill Instructor, I don’t know what branch of service you served in but as a Marine myself there is not a higher honor than being a drill instructor. No Marine Drill instructor would bring dishonor on the Marine Corps, let alone call someone murders that when he didn’t think that they were guilty of it.

Murtha was in country from 1966 to 1967, The My Lai Massacre occurred in of 1968,about a year after he left Nam. I Don’t think you are old enough to know much about My Lai but if you were there, (which I was) it was something that you didn’t want to happen on your watch,you damn well didn’t want it happening in the Corps.
 
Kind of looks like you have a hard on for Murtha Rev. Seems a shame, seeing as he is a decorated Viet Nam vet with a Bronze Star, a couple of purple hearts, as well as the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. Of course we all know how you feel about Dems with medals don’t we?

Let me run this by you, Murtha was a former Drill Instructor, I don’t know what branch of service you served in but as a Marine myself there is not a higher honor than being a drill instructor. No Marine Drill instructor would bring dishonor on the Marine Corps, let alone call someone murders that when he didn’t think that they were guilty of it.

Murtha was in country from 1966 to 1967, The My Lai Massacre occurred in of 1968,about a year after he left Nam. I Don’t think you are old enough to know much about My Lai but if you were there, (which I was) it was something that you didn’t want to happen on your watch,you damn well didn’t want it happening in the Corps.



Dem or republican does not matter to me on this, you saying so is a lie.


Furthermore his service was exemplary, it makes his betrayal all that much more abhorrent.


They weren't guilty of murder, he called them murderers, then refused to apologize...


He dishonors the US military with his slanderous claims which once were proven false refused to apologize.


His actual service and his political leanings is irrellevant.


Nice try though! :2wave:
 
Murtha was in country from 1966 to 1967, The My Lai Massacre occurred in of 1968,about a year after he left Nam. I Don’t think you are old enough to know much about My Lai but if you were there, (which I was) it was something that you didn’t want to happen on your watch,you damn well didn’t want it happening in the Corps.


Perhaps this is why he jumped the gun. If that is the case he should have apologized once he realized this did not happen in Haditha.

He didn't.


It is one thing to not want it to happen "again", it is another thing to slander other marines in some political move and refuse to own up to it when exposed.....
 
Quote Rev

They weren't guilty of murder, he called them murderers, then refused to apologize...


Note the bolded and underlined parts. Sure looks like murder to me.


< Aug. 2, 2006: Military investigators find that there is evidence supporting allegations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot unarmed civilians in the Iraqi town of Haditha last November, according to unnamed Pentagon sources. Military prosecutors are still weighing whether to recommend criminal charges.>

Quote Rev

He dishonors the US military with his slanderous claims which once were proven false refused to apologize.


Refuse to apologize for telling the truth??? :confused:
 
Quote Rev

They weren't guilty of murder, he called them murderers, then refused to apologize...


Note the bolded and underlined parts. Sure looks like murder to me.


< Aug. 2, 2006: Military investigators find that there is evidence supporting allegations that U.S. Marines deliberately shot unarmed civilians in the Iraqi town of Haditha last November, according to unnamed Pentagon sources. Military prosecutors are still weighing whether to recommend criminal charges.>

Quote Rev

He dishonors the US military with his slanderous claims which once were proven false refused to apologize.


Refuse to apologize for telling the truth??? :confused:



I don't know, since when does that mean "guilty" in this great country? And who was this "unnamed source"...


I believe the word of fellow servicemen over politicians with political agendas and "unnamed sourced", at least until they are proven guilty in a court of law.... oh wait, they were accquitted, charges dismissed, and a declaration of innocence for at least one.....


:2wave:
 
I don't know, since when does that mean "guilty" in this great country? And who was this "unnamed source"...


I believe the word of fellow servicemen over politicians with political agendas and "unnamed sourced", at least until they are proven guilty in a court of law.... oh wait, they were accquitted, charges dismissed, and a declaration of innocence for at least one.....


:2wave:


Kinda looks like were going in circles here with the< wait, they were accquitted, charges dismissed, and a declaration of innocence for at least one.....>doesn’t it? Hey Hatuey remind the Rev that “ For somebody to be found 'guilty' or 'innocent' of a crime there has to be a trial “seems the has had a laps of memory. :2wave:
 
Nah its all spin on yours and hautey's part.


He besmirched the marines when he shot off his mouth, then instead of doing the honorable thing, he refused to apoligize. Now HE has to deal with a lawsuit and I hope he loses.

He nearly ruined these marines lives over slanderous speculation. War hero or not he should be held to the same standards as everyone else.

The purpose of this thread though, was that several claimed that military folk back murtha, I am seeing what the total was.

You all are at one, since Familty Guy as far as I can tell by his avoiding the question is not a vet.
 
My_Lai_massacre.jpg


I can understand Rev, we had a couple of apologist for Lieutenant Calley in my battery, even after proof that they shot unarmed men, women, children, even babies after raping there mothers before killing them.

Some of the perps were so proud of their work they carved C Company on the victims chest after killing them. You would proud Rev, after all of the deaths at My Lai, Calley's sentence ended up being four and a half months.

Could the four and a half month sentence, for the 504 civilian deaths, be what made Murtha so pissed off?:confused: Could be,... I guess.
 
My_Lai_massacre.jpg


I can understand Rev, we had a couple of apologist for Lieutenant Calley in my battery, even after proof that they shot unarmed men, women, children, even babies after raping there mothers before killing them.

Some of the perps were so proud of their work they carved C Company on the victims chest after killing them. You would proud Rev, after all of the deaths at My Lai, Calley's sentence ended up being four and a half months.

Could the four and a half month sentence, for the 504 civilian deaths, be what made Murtha so pissed off?:confused: Could be,... I guess.

Murtha doesn't give a **** about My Lai. Murtha is just another sell out politician riding on his military service and trying to score cool points with liberal idiots.That is why he slandered our troops and refuses to appologize for it.
 
Murtha doesn't give a **** about My Lai. Murtha is just another sell out politician riding on his military service and trying to score cool points with liberal idiots.That is why he slandered our troops and refuses to appologize for it.

Maybe he’s waiting for Bush to apologize for lying us into Iraq.
 
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