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Originally Posted by JMak This is a foolish and simplistic notion. |
Do you realize what John McCain has been saying about Palin since the day he and Karl Rove picked her? They’ve
always relied on her
experience as being the reason
why she’s fit for the role of VP. So, do you not agree with McCain/Rove?
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Originally Posted by JMak However, we are rational individuals… |
Well, you’ve just used circular logic. How is circular logic a demonstration of rational behavior?
If
not using (as I have suggested) Presidential and/or Vice Presidential experience as the measure by which you select one for the White House, a foolish and simplistic notion, then how can you at the same time say that “of course, no individual can have such experience” when for the past several weeks the entire Republican Party as been using Palin’s
experience as Mayor of Wassila and Palin’s
experience as Governor of Alaska, as the singularly all important
measure for qualifying her for the role of VP.
Do you now disagree with McCain himself on why Palin is ‘qualified’ to be his VP?
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Originally Posted by JMak …that can identify those qualities and characteristics that we believe are representative of effective managers and leaders and decision-makers. And we can infer from an individuals' "experiences" whether they possess these qualities and characteristics to a level sufficient to make us believe that they can or will perform well as President. |
And, what are those measures, if not competence as demonstrated through aptitude, capacity and appropriateness, if
executive level experience is foolish and simplistic notion?
Careful how you answer that one! I’ve just set a logic trap that you cannot avoid. You’ve been outflanked here because you now MUST answer this question given that YOU (not me) have set it up as
your premise for determining the rules for “measuring” the qualifications of the candidate.
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Originally Posted by JMak It also helps if we believe that the candidate shares the same perception of our nation, role of government, and similar political preferences. |
Belief that one shares the same perceptions?
Now, we are starting to get somewhere. This is where we begin to peel back the onion of the illogical application of McCain’s use of Palin’s Alaskan experience as the measure for her qualifications as Vice President.
Some people ‘believe’ in Santa Claus, flying reindeer, three bears that can talk, big foot, the tooth fairy, a green bean stalk that reaches up to a city floating in the clouds, changing the
essential nature of a people who have been fighting with each other since
3100 BCE through regime change and that the fundamentals of structurally broken economy are
strong. However, did those
beliefs have anything to do with
reality?
Be careful here!
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Originally Posted by JMak Competency for what? Aptitude for what? Appropriatness of and for what? What are the specific measures? Why are these measures the best predictors of performance. |
Word: Competency
Function: Noun
Definition: The quality or state of being mentally competent (or, prepared).
The President and Vice President must demonstrate a ‘quality’ and or a ‘state of being’ mentally prepared for the role.
How do they accomplish that? Through intellectual command and control of the issues that the office they seek will engage on a daily basis and to a level, depth and degree (both horizontally and vertically) that are
made known through their
dialog, communication and responsiveness to any and all relevant questions
and follow-up questions put to them in
any forum and or any format constructive to and for the express purpose distributing understand among, subordinates, agents, staff and adversaries.
Obama, Biden and McCain have demonstrated Presidential Competency. Palin, has not.
Word: Aptitude
Function: Noun
Definition: The proven proclivity, predilection, faculty and/or acquired quality for intellectual assimilation.
Here, the President and Vice President must demonstrate their ability to intellectually differentiate, categorize, catalog and then cognitively assimilate distinctively and accurately, all information, data and input, in such a way that executive level decisions are made with the highest degree of fault tolerance and congruency of rational and/or logical stability such that the “highest and best use” of national resources results as the ultimate outcome of their thought process and/or decision.
Obama, Biden and McCain have demonstrated Presidential Aptitude. Palin, has not.
Word: Capacity
Function: Noun
Definition: The power to learn; mental ability; innate potential; development, or accomplishment; faculty.
In this very key dimension, the President and Vice President must demonstrate their ability for optimum intellectual performance as it relates to developing the depth, breadth, knowledge and understanding of those issues that come before there office. They MUST exhibit an ability to
comprehend and interpret all input relevant to their respective role(s), such that there decision making process is sound and beneficial for the national best interest. The candidate(s) MUST demonstrate a proven capacity for the
strategic command of the issues in order to effectively work with subordinates and or adversaries for the express purpose of securing the nations best interest. The candidate(s) MUST have something in their background that enables an intellectual and cognitive structure for the proper building of conceptual ideas and/or solutions to complex problem solving again, for the benefit of the national best interest.
Obama, Biden and McCain have demonstrated Presidential Capacity. Palin, has most definitely not. Not by a mile on this one.
Word: Appropriateness
Function: Adjective/Verb
Definition: The state or quality of being peculiarly fit or suitable for a particular purpose and/or occasion.
In this final dimension, the Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate must demonstrate national and
international executive level brio, awareness and thorough understanding of their role, such that their public appearance warrants confidence among the electorate. They must demonstrate this in such a way that coherently wraps their clear competency, capacity and aptitude into a singularly and
easily recognizable public persona, appropriate for the office they seek. The Presidential and Vice Presidential candidate must also exhibit a supreme level of diplomatic capacity and be in full command and control of his/her
own thoughts, opinions, ideas, ideological concepts and be fully aware of the legal authority given to them under the Constitution for the express purpose of executing their duties as either President or Vice President. The must demonstrate knowledge of the office of the President or Vice President, that is beyond questioning even by that part of the electorate that does not support their ideological position(s).
Obama, Biden and McCain have demonstrated Presidential Appropriateness. Sarah Palin, in this regard, is not even in contention. She’s nowhere to be found in this category.
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Originally Posted by JMak Your "model" here ignores probably the most critical component of an individual's candidacy...their political views. |
The model is robust, clear, relevant and irrefutably sound. It leaves nothing out of the equation. Why? Because the model is
objective and not
subjective. It balances all of the attributes that make a rock solid candidate for President and/or Vice President. The model is not partisan or bias. It tests the fundamental building blocks of good sound executive leadership.
The candidate(s) political views are not left out in any way shape or form. They are in fact embedded in every single dimension. But, you can’t see it, unless you read it. The phrase:
for the benefit of the national best interest include ALL political views. Because if there are ANY political views that do not meet that test, then they are not political views that the nation should subscribe to.
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Originally Posted by JMak …Yeah, who cares if he was lying, dissembling, or otherwise fabricating information...Again, no matter that he lied, dissembled, or otherwise fabricated information…At least she wasn't making up crap out of whole cloth. |
So, Biden was the one skirting issues, not answering directly, not responding to rebuttal and making things up out of ‘whole cloth” as you put it.
Well, you can only prove that by posting the lies the Biden told. Second, Palin
lied about
:
Obama’s voting record on taxes
Obama’s stance taken before the war in Iraq
Obama’s statements about meeting without preconditions
Obama’s stance (which is on his website!) about the use of clean coal technologies
Biden’s statements about the use of clean coal technologies
Biden’s statements about the war in Iraq, before the authorization vote
Obama’s tax plan and how it would kill jobs
Obama’s tax plan and who benefits
McCain’s tax plan and who does not benefit
McCain’s vote to not raise taxes (she lied by never responding to rebuttal after making a wild claim!)
Palin’s statement on the percentage of U.S. oil reserves and the impact on U.S. energy from abroad
Obama’s and Biden’s vote on funding the troops in Iraq
What did Biden lie about?
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Originally Posted by JMak I guess you prefer simply ignoring the question rather than someone clearly indicating that they would not address the question. |
When I used to work for someone else, I had to go through something called a
job interview. Maybe you are familiar with those, too. If at any time during said job interview, I had told the interview that I was not going to answer the question they put forth and then gave an answer that was off-topic and non-relevant, I would have politely asked to leave the hiring managers office.
So, is it your contention that Palin be allowed to basically tell the American Public what she will and will not answer? Because, she NEVER address the question put to her and she was doing that all night long.
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Originally Posted by JMak Ya think? Did anyone expect Palin to have total command of the issues, particularly in foreign policy… |
Yes. Is she not running for Vice President of the United States of America? Biden had complete control of the facts, why does Palin get off the hook so easily?
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Originally Posted by JMak Depth of knowledge? Being 2000% off in comparing the costs of combat in Iraq with the costs in Afghanistan does not reflect depth of knowledge. |
FACT CHECK:
Cost of war in Iraq Day: $341,400,000.00
Cost of war in Iraq MoM: $10,242,000,000.00
Cost of war in Iraq YoY: $559,381,728,195.99
Cost of war in Iraq 1Wk: $2,560,500,000.00
Cost of war in Iraq
3Wk:
$7,681,500,000.00
Cost of war in Afg Day: $273,972.00
Cost of war in Afg MoM: $8,219,178.00
Cost of war in Afg YoY: $98,630,136.00
Cost of war in Afg
Tot:
$591,780,821.00
Afg/Iraq Differential: 12,980.31%
More than we are spending in Afghanistan.
Source:
National Priorities Project.
Biden said we spend more in 3 weeks in Iraq, than we have in the entire war in Afghanistan and he was spot on accurate. That's
13 times what we spend in the "forgotten war."
You’ve just been Fact Checked.