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Originally Posted by Pilots For 911 Truth  Where do you see me saying that White folk won't vote for a Black candidate? |
Well, in post
# 36 (Racists!)you implied that I was somehow a racist because I referred to Barack Obama as a commie. A "commie" is one who is fond of a tried & failed egalitarian system of Government. That has nothing to do with someone's race. How do you come to the conclusion that I'm a racist because I feel (with good reason) that Barack Obama is a Marxist?
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I merely broadened the subject matter a bit and extended the concept of race and racism, to include the well known concept/theory of the Bradley Effect. Stop spinning my words like a Rovian Top and twisting them like Katrina.
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I don't care to discuss the "Bradley effect". I never once addressed it.
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So, shall we now claim that all non-White people in office today, are there because of the color of their skin?
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Who is "we" anyhow? Do you talk to yourself a lot? That's a ridiculous claim, made by someone who seems to see everything as absolute.
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This argument that implies that all political panderers are non-White and are there solely because of the color of their skin is beyond silly.
What you just said is that White guilt and Black rage elects non-White people into office as a direct result of those same non-White people pandering to the electorate on racial grounds. However, the implied inverse is that no non-White person has ever been the better candidate and that too is silly. .
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Not by a longshot man. I can tell the difference between a Michael Steele & a Cynthia McKinney.
The worst are the actual whites like Dick Durbin who engage in such sleazy race-baiting for political gain.
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Has it ever occurred to you that what you might be smelling are your own racist attitudes?
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Why? Because I refuse to support Barack?
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Sophomoric.
Look, American style slavery was not ended because all of a sudden White Slave owners discovered the brightness of the light shining on their sin. Abolition was a THE political hot-button of the time and the so-called 'founding fathers' morality had little to nothing to do with it. Slaves were freed because the North wanted to win the war - period.
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Actually, a lot of slaves were freed in the North by the British during the War of 1812; almost all of the slave records were destroyed. The former slaves were treated pretty rotten still though.
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The North was fearful of a resurgent South and needed some new blood to turn the tide. Slaves were promised many things during the Civil War and freedom was one carrot placed in front of them. That's a powerful carrot to deny and countless slaves then signed up to fight for the North.
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The former slaves didn't really have too much of a choice.
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The Emancipation Proclamation was about quid pro quo, my friend. Nothing less and nothing more. If the North thought that it could win without the slaves, we'd might still have active plantations in the South today!
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Actually, black soldiers weren't really used because of...
bigotry.
They did fight with distinction at Milliken's Bend, LA; Port Hudson, LA; Petersburg, VA; Nashville, TN and the well known assault on Fort Wagner, SC.
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All this revisionist rewriting and romanticizing about who the so-called founding fathers were is sad.
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They were aristocratic white males who believed in the superiority of western civilization and sought
a more perfect union.
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The audacity of writing a Declaration of Independence, declaring that all men were created equal with inalienable rights, and then hypocritically legalizing a 3/5ths compromise that declares those same men to be sub-human chattel, is not a very impressive moral locking stone. It is nothing short of immoral hypocrisy.
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Cut them some slack.
Those guys had just won a war against the most powerful force that had ever existed. They were trying to establish a government that would have so many checks and balances in place to prevent tyranny. Abolishing slavery at the time was too much for their plate.
Make no mistake, Black people would not enjoy the rights they do today without the Constitution, so consider your position obliterated.
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This nation was founded on immoral hypocrisy and built on the backs of Slaves.
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How "centrist" of you.
RED alert!
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Furthermore, if 1865/68 put an end to the immoral hypocrisy of racist attitudes in this country, then how do you account for Jim Crow?
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Another straw man that has nothing to do with my position.
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Why was there a need for the Civil Rights movement some 100 years later? Your implying that it all come to an end due to the moral gut check of the founding fathers is junior at best. The impact of American Slavery is still with us today.
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Now would be the time for you to illustrate how the Civil Rights movement achieved it's goals outside the scope of the Constitution... that little document dreamed up by those old racist white guys...
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What America has 'done right', is not the title of this thread. If you wish such a thread, go make one. This thread is about "Racism." Trying to have a discussion about racism while ignoring the source of racism, is not very productive.
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It seems the topic of this thread is whatever you want it to be. The original OP never mentioned the "Bradley Effect".
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This is the problem with instantiating a false premise, you end up continually making false statements and arguing things not in play.
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Why don't you try to read the numerous straw men you tried to apply to me in the above paragraphs?
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No one here (other than yourself) has claimed that a vote for Obama puts an end to racism.
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Neither did I. I'm just pointing out that a vote for Obama as you like to view it would move us closer to racial harmony... as the goal moves further and further away.
Conveniently.
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