Get in their face! - Page 15

Felicity · 09-19-08, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

I guess people will need to ambiguously fight the urge to do this in the future.

See--you get it.

You don't need to get in their face with the urge to argue. Exactly.

JMak · 09-19-08, 09:54 AM

It's incredible now how often this supposedly great orator is either delivering speaking gaffes, choosing poor phrases to express his encouragement, and stammering all over the place with the ever-present it seems "uh."

I guess that's why he's trailering a teleprompter to every speaking gig now...I would, too...

independent_thinker2002 · 09-19-08, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JMak

It's incredible now how often this supposedly great orator is either delivering speaking gaffes, choosing poor phrases to express his encouragement, and stammering all over the place with the ever-present it seems "uh."

I guess that's why he's trailering a teleprompter to every speaking gig now...I would, too...

This reminds me of the time Navy Pride tried to claim that Reagan didn't use a teleprompter.

Felicity · 09-19-08, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JMak

It's incredible now how often this supposedly great orator is either delivering speaking gaffes, choosing poor phrases to express his encouragement, and stammering all over the place with the ever-present it seems "uh."

I guess that's why he's trailering a teleprompter to every speaking gig now...I would, too...

That's a very good point. And likely why the charge of "empty suit" keeps popping up. HEY! There's a metaphor!

independent_thinker2002 · 09-19-08, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

To be really anal retentive about it (since you mentioned my profession), hyperbole is in no way a "comparison" --which is what a metaphor is. Yes, both are "figures of speech"--but a metaphor is intended to be taken as symbolic, whereas such a requirement is not why hyperbole is used. Hyperbole is used for emphasis. In the case of Obama's comment, he was "emphasizing" the charge to go "argue with your neighbors." No comparison to anything at all--but indeed, an emphasis (though understood to be exaggerated) to argue aggressively.

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met·a·phor
Pronunciation: \ˈme-tə-ˌfȯr also -fər\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English methaphor, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French metaphore, from Latin metaphora, from Greek, from metapherein to transfer, from meta- + pherein to bear — more at bear
Date: 15th century
1: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money) ; broadly : figurative language — compare simile
2: an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor : symbol 2

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What is "drowning in money" comparing? Perhaps you are thinking of simile:

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sim·i·le
Pronunciation: \ˈsi-mə-(ˌ)lē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, comparison, from neuter of similis
Date: 14th century
: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses) — compare metaphor

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hy·per·bo·le
Pronunciation: \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek hyperbolē excess, hyperbole, hyperbola, from hyperballein to exceed, from hyper- + ballein to throw — more at devil
Date: 15th century
: extravagant exaggeration (as “mile-high ice-cream cones”)

I'm not sure "get in their face" is an extravagant exaggeration. As I see it, it's figurative speech which falls under the definition of metaphor.

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I have maintained throughout that his comment was stupid and could be negatively construed by his constituents and lead to unpleasant encounters among neighbors. Do you disagree that his "figure of speech" was poorly chosen and that some people could take that as a charge to get huffy with the neighbor folk?

I have already said that politically, it was a poor choice of words. I'm not sure that his request will have much of an effect on the huffiness of neighbors' interactions. I suppose there could be a couple isolated incidents of huffiness due to people not being aware of figurative language. I suppose he should be more specific in what he means.

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I think you got all defensive against my position because talloulou jumped in and was assertive with her comments calling Obama's talk "ghetto" and you just lumped me in with her tone because we agree that it was a stupid thing to say. My stance is, and has been, more measured. (Until the personal attacks began--and even then, topic-wise, I maintained my original position).

Actually, it was the combination of you accusing me of spin and not being reasonable. By tossing out those accusations, you showed your unreasonableness. I believe you were "up my nose" about this issue first.

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I can bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan.....

Mmmmmmm, bacon.

Tucker Case · 09-19-08, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

metaphor - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

What is "drowning in money" comparing? Perhaps you are thinking of simile:

simile - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

I'm not sure "get in their face" is an extravagant exaggeration. As I see it, it's figurative speech which falls under the definition of metaphor.

I have already said that politically, it was a poor choice of words. I'm not sure that his request will have much of an effect on the huffiness of neighbors' interactions. I suppose there could be a couple isolated incidents of huffiness due to people not being aware of figurative language. I suppose he should be more specific in what he means.

Actually, it was the combination of you accusing me of spin and not being reasonable. By tossing out those accusations, you showed your unreasonableness. I believe you were "up my nose" about this issue first.

Mmmmmmm, bacon.

It just occured to me that "get in their face" absolutely must be metaphorical because if we take it literally, we are now talking about something more akin to Bill and Monica. He really got in her face.

If it were exageration for effect, we would need to imagine BIll hovering perilously close to Mionica's face without ever getting into it.

Felicity · 09-19-08, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002

What is "drowning in money" comparing?

Drowning and being so rich you don't know what to do with yourself.

The question is: What is "get in their face" being compared to?

Hint: n.o.t.h.i.n.g

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I'm not sure "get in their face" is an extravagant exaggeration. As I see it, it's figurative speech which falls under the definition of metaphor.

It's not "extravagant"--nonetheless, it is more likely hyperbole than a metaphor.

You are welcome to continue to argue otherwise--just don't "get in my face" neighbor

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Actually, it was the combination of you accusing me of spin and not being reasonable. By tossing out those accusations, you showed your unreasonableness.

Okay. I still think you are "wearing rose colored glasses." (metaphor)

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I believe you were "up my nose" about this issue first.

I apologize. Now--next time, don't "jump down my throat" (possible hyperbole) and perhaps we could be "like two peas in a pod." (simile)

Felicity · 09-19-08, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tucker Case

It just occured to me that "get in their face" absolutely must be metaphorical because if we take it literally, we are now talking about something more akin to Bill and Monica. He really got in her face.

If it were exageration for effect, we would need to imagine BIll hovering perilously close to Mionica's face without ever getting into it.

Gross.

I think we can all agree it is a colloquialism.

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