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Palin's Pastor Claimed: "Anti-Jewish Terror is "God's Judgment"

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Yes, Sarah Palin sat in a church where this message was given. Two weeks ago. The karma in all this is just amazing:
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.​


"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."​

Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.​
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Article Source here: Jewish voters may be wary of Palin - Ben Smith - Politico.com
 
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Ok, lemme get this straight. The GOP'ers were whining about Obama's preacher and his absurdities, and the Dems were defending it saying it's just more of that typical rightwing smear tactics.

Now, the Dems are trying to smear Palin for her preacher's absurdities and all of a sudden it supposed to mean something?
So, which is it? Is it just payback or do two wrongs now make a a Wright?
 
Captain America said:
Ok, lemme get this straight. The GOP'ers were whining about Obama's preacher and his absurdities, and the Dems were defending it saying it's just more of that typical rightwing smear tactics.

Now, the Dems are trying to smear Palin for her preacher's absurdities and all of a sudden it supposed to mean something?
So, which is it? Is it just payback or do two wrongs now make a a Wright?
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When one side digs the sewer, sometimes the other has to swim through it with them to win. ;)

Just pointing out there hypocrisy. If having a pastor that is a hatemonger is a disqualifier for the whitehouse, then why did they pick a candidate with a hatemongering pastor?
 
Things sure have a way of coming around and biting folks in the butt.

That's why I try to keep my words sweet. Just in case I have to eat them later. :rofl
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Article Source here: Jewish voters may be wary of Palin - Ben Smith - Politico.com
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Well, lets see...where to begin here.

First, your source claims this person was her pastor. That is, in fact, not true. It was someone tht was invited to speak at her church. So, woo, you grabbed a biased source to begin with who is already spinning information. This is starting off well.

Second, you're trying to compare this to Wright? Now, in regards to the rhetoric. You're right, this is disgusting...much like the God Damn America, 9/11 is just our chickens coming home to roost, and the whole we created aids to kill black people thing. It is disgusting rhetoric.

But lets be honest here a moment, shall we SD? If it won't hurt you too much.

This is a guy, invited into her church, to give a speech once. I'd also like to see it fully in context, like I did Wrights, but its good enough for the moment to give a reaction.

Wright was Obama's friend, pastor, and spiritual advisor of 20 years and a member of his campaign.

Please...pllllllllease....tell me those things are equal? Are on the same level? Are on the same wave length?

Really?

Come on now. Your dishonesty is striking on this.

I've stated in another thread about this sort of thing that what I've seen fo the church of hers does bother me. I'd love to know more about what's said, her relationship with her pastor, how long she's been going, etc. I even said if its a very close relationship with someone with very extreme religious views, it will make me question her judgement like the Wright thing did with his.

But this isn't anything like the Wright thing save for the comparison that a religious person said something absolutely disgusting.

One was a guy that visited her church once.

The other is a guys mentor, friend, and former political team member.

Give me a break Southern.

But you want to talk about Hypocracy? Sure, lets talk about Hypocracy.

I've said this guys things were disgusting. Do you think they are? Do you think what Wright said was disgusting?

I'll say if this guy was her preacher for even 10 years, if this kind of rhetoric was recurrent, if this guy was a family friend and a mentor, I'd be questioning Sarah Palin's judgement of character. Would you? Do you with Wright?

Come on, Southern Democrat. You want to have a conversation about Hypocracy. Lets have it! I'll be happy to. Lets compare Obama's spiritual advisor and friend and his relationship with him to Palin's churches guest of one day. I'm all for it.
 
Zyphlin said:
Well, lets see...where to begin here.

First, your source claims this person was her pastor. That is, in fact, not true. It was someone tht was invited to speak at her church. So, woo, you grabbed a biased source to begin with who is already spinning information. This is starting off well.

Second, you're trying to compare this to Wright? Now, in regards to the rhetoric. You're right, this is disgusting...much like the God Damn America, 9/11 is just our chickens coming home to roost, and the whole we created aids to kill black people thing. It is disgusting rhetoric.

But lets be honest here a moment, shall we SD? If it won't hurt you too much.

This is a guy, invited into her church, to give a speech once. I'd also like to see it fully in context, like I did Wrights, but its good enough for the moment to give a reaction.

Wright was Obama's friend, pastor, and spiritual advisor of 20 years and a member of his campaign.

Please...pllllllllease....tell me those things are equal? Are on the same level? Are on the same wave length?

Really?

Come on now. Your dishonesty is striking on this.

I've stated in another thread about this sort of thing that what I've seen fo the church of hers does bother me. I'd love to know more about what's said, her relationship with her pastor, how long she's been going, etc. I even said if its a very close relationship with someone with very extreme religious views, it will make me question her judgement like the Wright thing did with his.

But this isn't anything like the Wright thing save for the comparison that a religious person said something absolutely disgusting.

One was a guy that visited her church once.

The other is a guys mentor, friend, and former political team member.

Give me a break Southern.

But you want to talk about Hypocracy? Sure, lets talk about Hypocracy.

I've said this guys things were disgusting. Do you think they are? Do you think what Wright said was disgusting?

I'll say if this guy was her preacher for even 10 years, if this kind of rhetoric was recurrent, if this guy was a family friend and a mentor, I'd be questioning Sarah Palin's judgement of character. Would you? Do you with Wright?

Come on, Southern Democrat. You want to have a conversation about Hypocracy. Lets have it! I'll be happy to. Lets compare Obama's spiritual advisor and friend and his relationship with him to Palin's churches guest of one day. I'm all for it.
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I said what Wright had said was disgusting at the time and that Obama exhibited poor judgement attending the church. Even pointing out there were plenty of churches in Chicago he could have went to instead.

That said, Pentacostals don't just go out and invite guest speakers to get a diversity of opinions. They are not interested in a diversity of opinions. If you speak at their church, you are going to be preaching to the choir.

They invited this man to speak at their church because obviously they agreed with what he said. This is exactly in line with the theology of conservative charismatics, and you can bet there will be plenty more where this came from.
 
Palin should be asked about how she feels about the speech and the man who gave it. The mans speech certainly was unacceptable. However, unless Palin shares his views, its completely irrelevant. Guilt by association is complete crap and its telling that both political spectrums embrace it so willingly.
 
rathi said:
Palin should be asked about how she feels about the speech and the man who gave it. The mans speech certainly was unacceptable. However, unless Palin shares his views, its completely irrelevant. Guilt by association is complete crap and its telling that both political spectrums embrace it so willingly.
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Like I say, if you are preaching at a costal church, you are preaching to the choir. They are not interested in a diversity of views there. Go go to a Pentacostal church and give a sermon on say "Tolerance", and you will literally watch the congregation get up and walk out in front of you.

This is not the local United Methodist we are talking about here.
 
Politico.com has been digging on this poor soul, Palin, relentlessly. But I guess we have neo-con surrogates to thank for inventing the smear machine. What goes around, really comes around. Let's just view this as a sheer entertainment.


Current Ad: newsmax -> "Over for Obama?"
 
That said, Pentacostals don't just go out and invite guest speakers to get a diversity of opinions. They are not interested in a diversity of opinions. If you speak at their church, you are going to be preaching to the choir.
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Are you trying to fit an alaskan pentecostal church into your own idea...your own "box"... of what you think pentecostals 'must' be?

Isn't that like saying all black people are African?
 
Like I say, if you are preaching at a costal church, you are preaching to the choir. They are not interested in a diversity of views there. Go go to a Pentacostal church and give a sermon on say "Tolerance", and you will literally watch the congregation get up and walk out in front of you.
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So what? You need solid evidence that Palin shares this guys views if you want to bash her for this. Someone who was a guest at her church isn't even close.

This is not the local United Methodist we are talking about here.
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I'm an atheist, so I'm not about to give a damn about inter-faith arguments between Christians. I only care about how and if the religion will influence politics and you haven't shown anything about Palin sharing this man's views.
 
rathi said:
So what? You need solid evidence that Palin shares this guys views if you want to bash her for this. Someone who was a guest at her church isn't even close.



I'm an atheist, so I'm not about to give a damn about inter-faith arguments between Christians. I only care about how and if the religion will influence politics and you haven't shown anything about Palin sharing this man's views.
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I don't know if she does or does not. Just like all the right wingers on here did not know whether Obama shared Wrights views.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I don't know if she does or does not. Just like all the right wingers on here did not know whether Obama shared Wrights views.
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True, but once again...

Mentor: Serve as a teacher or trusted counselor

Adviser: One who advises.

We know that Wright was a mentor and adviser to Obama for 20 years. That's not disputed. I think it strains credibility to say one has a Mentor for 20 years who you don't agree with at least a decent amount of the views with.

The other guy spoke at Palin's church. The only things we have in regards to how close she is to her is your anecdotal evidence based on your biases in regards to penecostals and applying it to every penecostal everywhere.

Once again, comparing those two things is straining intellectual honest.

I agree with the poster who said it would be good to hear what Palin's thoughts on that sermon are
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
I said what Wright had said was disgusting at the time and that Obama exhibited poor judgement attending the church.
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"Attending" the church? Come on, let's be real. This is a guy Obama said was influential in many aspects of his life and who married him and his wife. The he continued to seek his counsel up until it became a political liability.

Obama is a "Black Power" candidate that's received a Hollywood makeover to become more palatable to mainstream America. When the curtain closes on the voting booths, people will not vote for a racist candidate - if it's their race that he hates.

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Even pointing out there were plenty of churches in Chicago he could have went to instead.
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Yet he didn't.
 
Zyphlin said:
True, but once again...

Mentor: Serve as a teacher or trusted counselor

Adviser: One who advises.

We know that Wright was a mentor and adviser to Obama for 20 years. That's not disputed. I think it strains credibility to say one has a Mentor for 20 years who you don't agree with at least a decent amount of the views with.

The other guy spoke at Palin's church. The only things we have in regards to how close she is to her is your anecdotal evidence based on your biases in regards to penecostals and applying it to every penecostal everywhere.

Once again, comparing those two things is straining intellectual honest.

I agree with the poster who said it would be good to hear what Palin's thoughts on that sermon are
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The pastor also spoke when she was inaugurated. And baptized in that church (way before that pastor though).

Doesn't mean she had the same relationship, but still, she's a part of that church.
 
Think First said:
The pastor also spoke when she was inaugurated. And baptized in that church (way before that pastor though).

Doesn't mean she had the same relationship, but still, she's a part of that church.
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The pastor above? That the quote is from? Who visited the church for the first time recently?

Wow...impressive. He was able to speak at her inauguration and baptize her before he ever actually visited the church. ;)

(I think you should read the OP and see who really made the comment then taking a biased sources word that it was her "pastor")
 
Has any of you concerned citizens ( :roll: ) ever scrutinized any of the candidates' advisers see what they actually feeding their guy rather than sniffing Obama's or Palin's pastor's underwear see who had roasted chili beans last night? Does anybody even care anymore?
 
I don't know if she does or does not. Just like all the right wingers on here did not know whether Obama shared Wrights views.
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So you either act with integrity and refuse to engage in such behavior, or you wallow in the same crap as the right. The primary reason I hate the 2 party system in America is because each side uses the others behavior to justify completely wrong behavior. Using guilt by association to pretend that someone shares an extremist view of heir pastor is unacceptable. I don't care if its Obama's pastor, if its Palin's pastor or if its Joe Sixpacks pastor. Unless you have evidence that the person shares the same view as their pastor, its irrelevant to the political process.

I don't have a pastor, but I've certainly dealt with many people, even been mentored by people who have crazy views I don't agree. People engage with other humans for many reasons, and they certainly don't have to share all of the same beliefs to connect.
 
Zyphlin said:
The pastor above? That the quote is from? Who visited the church for the first time recently?

Wow...impressive. He was able to speak at her inauguration and baptize her before he ever actually visited the church. ;)

(I think you should read the OP and see who really made the comment then taking a biased sources word that it was her "pastor")
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That's exactly what I said, though I forgot "and she was" before "baptized".

Whatever, I failed to state exactly what you called me out on even though it's what I attempted to do.
 
Think First said:
That's exactly what I said, though I forgot "and she was" before "baptized".

Whatever, I failed to state exactly what you called me out on even though it's what I attempted to do.
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I'll admit, I misunderstood your baptized point and yes, we both agree this pastor that this thread is about and is quoted above was not there for that.

But please, provide evidence that the pastor the above quoted post and article claims to be her pastor and now you are, spoke at her inauguration.

I again actually urge you to read the main post, and the link, and realize the title is misleading coming from a biased source. The person this thread, and the what it links to, speaks of as "her pastor" and quotes is NOT her pastor.
 
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