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And you thought Wright was bad?

Never mind. I found it. :doh
 
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Summerwind said:
Its from a different political site so I can't. I'll see if I can find a more verifiable link though. Good point.
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I can't get the file to download. I don't want to open a word file either for the transcript.
 
Just go to the front page first. Then click the Sermons link and choose the right one. I imagine there may be some other interesting ones.

Wasilla Bible Church
 
I only listened to the first ten minutes or so, but I didn't hear anything anti-semitic. Just because he's talking about Jews doesn't make it anti-semitic.

Does it get worse later on? Can you give us the highlights so we don't have to listen to this for an hour?
 
Religion

Palin was originally baptized as a Roman Catholic, but her parents switched to the Wasilla Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church, where she was rebaptized at age 12 or 13.[103][104] When she is in the capital, she attends Juneau Christian Center,[105] another Assemblies of God church. Her current home church in Wasilla is The Wasilla Bible Church,[106] an independent congregation.[107][108] Initial reports described her as the first Pentecostal ever named to a major party's presidential ticket; Palin has described herself as a "Bible-believing Christian" who attends a non-denominational church.[109] The National Catholic Reporter described her as a "post-denominational" Christian.[110]

Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looks like the right church.
 
Kandahar said:
I only listened to the first ten minutes or so, but I didn't hear anything anti-semitic. Just because he's talking about Jews doesn't make it anti-semitic.

Does it get worse later on? Can you give us the highlights so we don't have to listen to this for an hour?
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Brickner seems to think the jews deserve all their terrorism because they don't embrace JC/Christianity.

"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."
 
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Jewish voters may be wary of Palin - Ben Smith - Politico.com

He hates his own kind. But I am guessing the right will gloss over this as always, or try to bring in the Wright issue again.

First John McCain wanted to get rid of the billions Israel gets every year by ending all earmarks, and then he changed his mind when people pointed out that Israeli funding is an earmark.

Now we have a radical Jew claiming, that terror attacks against Jews is gods punishment for not believing some religious mombo jumbo. But I guess you cant call it anit-Semitism, since its Jew vs Jew.. how about self loathing?

It has also been mentioned on the web, that Palin was present at a fund raiser with Pat Buchanan in 1999, wearing a Pat Buchanan badge.. the same time Pat Buchanan was rambling on how too powerful the Jewish lobby was in the US.

Lets also not forget Hagee, who also has come with anti Jewish comments.
 
Kandahar said:
I only listened to the first ten minutes or so, but I didn't hear anything anti-semitic. Just because he's talking about Jews doesn't make it anti-semitic.

Does it get worse later on? Can you give us the highlights so we don't have to listen to this for an hour?
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No it doesn't. I read the transcript, and later David gives a blessing in Hebrew. So what's the deal about this?

Matthew 13:14": And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

"15": For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

"16": But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
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Jesus said not everyone would hear him. So on this thread, some will misinterpret a sermon.
 
Here's a link to the transcript


The Lord put David Brickner on our calendar almost three years ago, put it in ink, said “David Brickner, August 17th, 2008, Wasilla Bible Church. He’s an international speaker—his schedule ends up being two to three years out. He’s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism. Our connection with them probably goes back to the 1970s when I first heard a music group from Jews for Jesus called “The Liberated Wailing Wall” in Seattle, Washington. And they had an impact on my life. They’re one of the reasons I’m a pastor now.

Jews for Jesus is a cult. But, I'm an atheist and see it as a fine line. :mrgreen:
 
I only listened to the first couple of minutes of the sermon because it was kind of dull. Very dull for a Pentecostal Sermon.

At the risk of sounding mean or intolerant, you are a taking a huge risk by putting a Pentecostal on the ticket. I am from the south and have been around a lot of them and just about all of them are crazy. Seriously, if you think you are "anointed with the gifts of tongues / healing / whatever ", you are not all there. Moreover, the only people that like Pentecostals are other Pentecostals. Pentecostals make Southern Baptists look open, accepting, and non-judgmental. Its really an extremist church that just happens to have a decent number of people in it.

Plus, you also run the risk of there being video out there of Palin jumped around at a church service chattering in tongues, not exactly the picture the electorate will want of someone who would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and believe me, if she is a pentecostal, she has been "annointed with the gift of tongues" else she would have "blasphemed the Holy Spirit".
 
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OH GOODIE!!

This is going to feel SO GOOD nailing whitey to the wall. America HASN'T forgotten me after all!
 
this thread fails to deliver. :lol:




is this pastor her mentor of 20 years or is he pastor at a church she has attended.



and won't this backfire? i mean if you give this any credence, that makes the obama look 100x worse, no?
 
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SouthernDemocrat said:
I only listened to the first couple of minutes of the sermon because it was kind of dull. Very dull for a Pentecostal Sermon.

At the risk of sounding mean or intolerant, you are a taking a huge risk by putting a Pentecostal on the ticket. I am from the south and have been around a lot of them and just about all of them are crazy. Seriously, if you think you are "anointed with the gifts of tongues / healing / whatever ", you are not all there. Moreover, the only people that like Pentecostals are other Pentecostals. Pentecostals make Southern Baptists look open, accepting, and non-judgmental. Its really an extremist church that just happens to have a decent number of people in it.

Plus, you also run the risk of there being video out there of Palin jumped around at a church service chattering in tongues, not exactly the picture the electorate will want of someone who would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and believe me, if she is a pentecostal, she has been "annointed with the gift of tongues" else she would have "blasphemed the Holy Spirit".
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besides your bigotry lets review Palin's comments that were already mentioned in this thread.


"Palin has described herself as a "Bible-believing Christian" who attends a non-denominational church"


Sounds like most of America if you ask me.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
besides your bigotry lets review Palin's comments that were already mentioned in this thread.


"Palin has described herself as a "Bible-believing Christian" who attends a non-denominational church"


Sounds like most of America if you ask me.
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Being your from NJ, let me let you in on something about red state Christianity. All Pentecostal Churches describe themselves as
"Bible-believing Christian non-denom Churches". The Bible-believing is basically a nicer way of saying Charismatic, which is a nicer way of saying spiritual gifts, which is a nicer way of saying speaking in tongues / laying on of hands, falling on the floor in what look like convulsions in a service and so on.

Don't believe me, then next Sunday go to a "Bible Believing - Full Gospel Church" yourself and check it out.
 
Her pastor, "Pastor Kalnins" has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

Has Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking? She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."

Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord. She said, Iraq was "a task from god."
www.wasillaag.net/all.html this was the link with all the sermons it was up earlier today then they took them down.
 
Think First said:
Her pastor, "Pastor Kalnins" has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

Has Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking? She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."

Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord. She said, Iraq was "a task from god."
www.wasillaag.net/all.html this was the link with all the sermons it was up earlier today then they took them down.
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I am telling you guys, Pentecostals are crazy. I mean, flat out crazy. I am telling you I know. There is a reason why we tend to elect Presidents that are Episcopalian, Methodist, Presbyterian, and at the extreme Southern Baptists. There is technically not a religious test for public office in this country, but in reality there is and everyone knows it.
 
The war in Iraq is part of God’s plan, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said in June in a speech at her former church.

Palin, the Republican vice presidential candidate whose son will deploy to Iraq in a few weeks, told the students that “our national leaders, are sending [the troops] out on a task that is from God.”

Building a natural-gas pipeline is also part of God’s will, she said, according to a video published by the Huffington Post taken from material posted on the website of the Wasilla Assembly of God.

Earlier, she exhorted the students to pray for pipeline, saying “we can work together to make sure God’s will is done.” She said God wanted to extract natural resources


HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

*dances in the street*
 
If John chose Palin to secure the zealot vote, he does so at the risk of losing the moderates of the GOP.
OTOH, has any president in modern history ever successfully injected his religious beliefs into his politics?
 
Think First said:
Her pastor, "Pastor Kalnins" has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

Has Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking? She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation.

Moreover, she "has maintained a friendship with Wasilla Assembly of God and has attended various conferences and special meetings here," Kalnins' office said in a statement

During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry."

Kalnins bristled at the treatment President Bush was receiving over the federal government's handling of Hurricane Katrina. "I hate criticisms towards the President," he said, "because it's like criticisms towards the pastor -- it's almost like, it's not going to get you anywhere, you know, except for hell. That's what it'll get you."

Much of his support for the current administration has come in the realm of foreign affairs. Kalnins has preached that the 9/11 attacks and the invasion of Iraq were part of a "world war" over the Christian faith, one in which Jesus Christ had called upon believers to be willing to sacrifice their lives.
He preaches repeatedly about the "end times" or "last days," an apocalyptic prophesy held by a small but vocal group of Christian leaders. During his appearance with Palin in June, he declared, "I believe Alaska is one of the refuge states in the last days, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to the state to seek refuge and the church has to be ready to minister to them.

Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord. She said, Iraq was "a task from god."
www.wasillaag.net/all.html this was the link with all the sermons it was up earlier today then they took them down.
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Aside from your horrible mischaracterization of what she stated and the context of it in your last part (go find the thread actually talking about it, not going to repeat myself here) I will say the above, if its verified, is troubling.

Granted, I'd like to see a link, a video, something to actually prove any of it and see it in context. Much like I did with Rev Wright.

If this is the case, I want to know how close she is to her church and her pastor. This is a troubling thing for me, and makes me wonder what some of her beliefs are and her judge of character.

What I'm curious about though are the likes of southern democrat and others likely to jump on this...what was your belief about Rev Wright being Obama's pastor and spiritual mentor for 20 years and part of his campaign? What do you think of his statements? The OP brought this whole thing up in contrast to Wright, so what's your statement on it. Do you equally condemn Obama, Obama's crazy pastor, Obama's judgement, etc?
 
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