danarhea

The "arrogant folly" of the Bushneviks has come home to roost. Yes, they egged on Georgia to invade South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and it came back to bite them on the butt. Had either of these regions been a member of NATO, like the Neocons wanted, we would be either engaged in WWIII at this very moment, or possibly trying to pick up the pieces of what is left of civilization, attemptnig to recover from a nuclear holocaust, as part of the "Second Stone Age".

There is a damn good reason that Eisenhower, Reagan, and other presidents stayed out of many foreign entanglements. The vital interests of the United States were not on the line, nor are they on the line now. What the Neocons are trying to do, encircling Russia, and beating the war drums, is equivalent to poking a hornet's nest with a stick. Just as the United States won't stand to see it's security threatened, neither will Russia, and Russia will be just as determined to fight to the bitter end as we are - nuclear weapons included.

As for Saakashvili, his policial career is toast. As the author of the article recommends, let him now find an endowed chair at the American Enterprise Institute, where he can sit along side of the rest of the crazies in the basement.

Article is here.

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Kandahar

Cold War II? Don't be such a drama queen.

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danarhea

So you think Russia is just going to roll over? Did you read the article, or did you just decide you were so witty that you could outdo a 5 year old in making ad hominem attacks?

Please reply to the topic, and per rule 4 of the DP rules, don't be such a freaking jerk.

Dezaad

I can't stand Buchanan, but he writes an insightful article here. Nevertheless, Kandahar could be right: It may be too early to announce the beginning of a new cold war.

The world has changed so much since the last one. We are no longer ideologically opposed to the Russian system of politics (Our corporate rulers don't care about democracy, or lack thereof). Russian Oil looms large in this picture. China is a new factor.

MC.no.spin

Link?

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CaptainCourtesy

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Kandahar, please stop the attacks.

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Reverend_Hellh0und

Danny i think Georgia's membership in Nato would have been a deterrennt

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Iriemon

Whether you want to call it a cold war or not, there can be no doubt that since Bush took over the relationship with Russia has deteriorated badly, and it can be traced directly to unnecessary provocation by the Bush administration.

How do you think the US would react if the Russias started arming and training Venezuela or Mexico and building missle "defense" systems there?

It shouldn't surprise anyone that the two countries that are the flash points, Georgia and Poland, were two of the coalition of the "willing" that provided significant combat troops. Now its quid pro quo time. Payback for the Iraq war, at the cost of a new cold war.

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Kandahar

Eventually, yes. The price of oil won't stay high forever, and Russia is on a huge demographic decline. The country will naturally decline into near-irrelevance in a couple decades. And Russia is going to need someone to take their side in their Siberian border disputes with China, which means they're going to have to start being nice to us again before too much longer.

As for the present, the deterioration of US-Russian relations is at least as much George Bush's fault as it is Vladimir Putin's. Both of them have engaged in irresponsible decisions that antagonized the other country while bringing little benefit to their own. I see relations improving markedly as of January 2009, regardless of who is elected president.

Kandahar

Geez sorry, I didn't realize "drama queen" was such a big attack.