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| Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info How do we tell the difference between a candidate flip flopping for votes verse a candidate changing their beliefs due to new information on that belief and its relevant issues outside of voter opinions?
For instance, say that a candidate was for cloning but changed his position. How can we know if he changed his positions because voters were against cloning for religious reasons or if he educated himself and realized that cloning is a pretty grizzly in producing viable organisms?
It seems fundamentally wrong to bash a candidate who changed his position due to the later reason but it is acceptable to bash for flip flopping.
So how do we, as voters, tell the difference?
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| Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeJayH you can't
they are all liars  | So should we drop the entire flip flop issue entirely if we can't tell the difference? |
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Originally Posted by obvious Child So should we drop the entire flip flop issue entirely if we can't tell the difference? | absolutely, unless its a democrat  |
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| Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeJayH absolutely, unless its a democrat  | LOL. Unless it's a politician! |
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Lean: Independent Gender:  | Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info Quote:
Originally Posted by obvious Child How do we tell the difference between a candidate flip flopping for votes verse a candidate changing their beliefs due to new information on that belief and its relevant issues outside of voter opinions?
For instance, say that a candidate was for cloning but changed his position. How can we know if he changed his positions because voters were against cloning for religious reasons or if he educated himself and realized that cloning is a pretty grizzly in producing viable organisms?
It seems fundamentally wrong to bash a candidate who changed his position due to the later reason but it is acceptable to bash for flip flopping.
So how do we, as voters, tell the difference? | I'll tell you; If a republican does it, its a flip flop, if a democrat does it, he is merely "educating himself". |
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Lean: Liberal Gender:  | Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info If the person provides a reasonable rationale for the change in stance, then it's a change in beliefs, IMO. |
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| Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 I'll tell you; If a republican does it, its a flip flop, if a democrat does it, he is merely "educating himself". | Funny, I don't remember the Republicans talking about Kerry educating himself at their convention in 04.
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Lean: Independent Gender:  | Re: Flip Flop for votes vs Change in beliefs due to new info Quote:
Originally Posted by Iriemon Funny, I don't remember the Republicans talking about Kerry educating himself at their convention in 04. | But those were "conservative republicans" saying that. what about the "fair" MSM? And the liberals saying "he's not flip flopping at all!" riiight. |
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