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Well that's a great question, and here are a set of answers that I can agree with:

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shuamort

This could be fun:

So, conservatives believe that we don't have rights to housing so eminent domain is okay?

So conservatives won't stop a gay marriage?

Makes sense, vote for GHWB and GWB.

Well, conservatives should end the war on drugs and prostitution.
Conservatives ignore the preamble to the constitution about "promoting the general welfare"?

But do the conservatives agree that the government should step a foot there or just that they're slow. Weird point.
So, gay marriage, gay adoption, it's all okay. But wait, now it says "criminal"... how are the conservatives defining criminal? Is it based on laws that liberals have enacted too? Because that seems to be contradictory if liberals pass a law outlawing something that it would then be de facto encapsulated into conservative thought.

Well, then a conservative should know not to capitalize the word "god" when it's not referring to the specific Judeo-Christian deity.

What happens if that's what they want and it's their pursuit of happiness. Uh-oh.

Debt is how I bought a house.

Sorry Orphans!

Death at whose hands though? The abortion doctor and the guy pulling the electric chair's switch? Can we die at our own hand?

So Monaco or Luxembourg then?

Kandahar

And so long as it doesn't involve boys kissing.

Take a look at the "war on Christmas" idiocy that Bill O'Reilly dredges up every December (and that many conservatives actually agree with), then repeat that claim with a straight face.

Then don't go to a movie that preaches to you. That's called capitalism. Problem solved.

That is simply not true. CONSUMER debt creates unhealthy relationships. Student loans and housing loans have done a great deal to help people succeed.

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Zyphlin

Yay for purposeful attempts to twist things as fully as possible. Still, i'll address, at least for THIS conservative.

You not having a right to housing, IE it is not something you are gauranteed to have, does not converesly give the government the right to take your property. So no.

I have no problem with gay marriage. The marriage, in my mind, isn't the issue. Its the fact that the government has deemed fit to give benefits to those entering into such a union. And, in that regards, homosexuals can attain those benefits just like any other person. Just like two heterosexuals, male and female, can join into marriage and union if they wished to live together but had no sexual feelings for each other.

That said, I'm firmly in the belief that "Marriage" should be written out of the government law books completely, and regulate to churchs. The churchs can then pick and choose how they do it. The government, IF it still wants to give out certain benefits to those joining in union, should then have Civil Unions that can be entered into from a city clerk or petitioned for after a religious marriage.

Such thrilling and useful debate you insert here. Wow, I'm amazed!

Actually agree with you completely here. Drugs and Prostitution should both be legalized.

Promoting and providing are two seperate things. Giving tax breaks to organizations that help the poor would help to promote it. Having counseling centers to perhaps aid in job finding could be promoting it. Giving people tax payer money for being poor is not "promoting the general welfare", it is providing it.

I think the government should help, however I don't believe it should be the primary source. If the people of the state wish their state to be people that aid in disasters, then they can approve of it and have the state as first responders. Else, rely on the public to be the primary aid for it. But yes, I do think at least in some way the government should have a roll in aiding in things like this, but not expected to be a giant eraser that is meant to fix everything immedietely.

Criminal, IE things that are illegal in the general realm of things are equally illegal if you do them to your family. Beyond that, how you want to raise them is your own business. Once again, personally, I've got no problem with gay adoption and in regards to gay marriage see above. HOWEVER, I also fully support adoption agencies rights to choose if they wish to have gay adoption parents as potential people as a private enterprise.

If bad grammer or spelling is "in your face" then jesus h. christ then there's a LOT of people on this site that are "in your face".

More power to them; I don't see the statement saying you CAN'T do it that way, its just explaining that its not how conservatives in general would do it.

Was it debt that you were financially able to pay off in a timely and efficient manner, or a debt that caused you financial hardships or inability to pay off? To me, that part is more about fiscal responsibility then specifically "any debt is bad".

Hurray for platitudes and lack of any debate worthy material. This goes back to previous statements in this that people generally will provide better than the government in abscence of government.

That said, this is another point I don't agree with completely. I believe education SHOULD be the choice of the parents, IE...where their child is educated. That doesn't mean the government should not have a roll in education or have schools, what it means is that if the parents of a child do not want their child enrolled in government schools the parent should not have to provide tax money for those said schools (IE, a voucher)

Fully in favor of legalized suicide here. Though I'll admit the right to life stuff is one of the places I veer much more centrists.

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Sorry, Zyphlin, some of my retorts were indeed meant to be read as tongue-in-cheek as I wrote them and I should have delineated them a bit better from the genuine ones. Mea culpa.

Zyphlin

No problem. I can appreciate tongue and cheek. But when half the post is serious, and is making some rather negative connotations about a great portion of the memberships political persuation, sometimes the "jokes" come off a bit bad.

Mostly, I reacted upon reading. Seeing who actually posted it, the joking parts are more evident. Surprisingly, there are some that i've seen at times here that the jokes wouldn't be too far off from standard responses.

shuamort

Here's the full response (and removing the tongue-in-cheek and clarifying my position)
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Kelo v. City of New London

Agreed, however this is not the typical conservative opinion, more of the libertarian.

That was a sarcastic bit.


Agreed, however this is not the typical conservative opinion, more of the libertarian.



Yup, we agree.

I'm undecided on the necessity of an organization like FEMA versus a state run one (or none at all). I think that in the end, it should be a mix of federal and state run processes as it is of interest to both.

Are wards of the state privatized though? I thought they fell under the governship of the state.


That was a joke. However, the question that would remain would be towards this:"A conservative believes that people have a right to worship the God of their understanding. We also believe that people do not have the right to jam their version of God (or no God) down anybody else's throat". Would that include things like having the "under God" in the pledge or "In God We Trust" on the coinage? What would be the conservative opinion on that?



Debt is part of what makes this economy run. Controlled debt is what needs to be exercised as well as personal responsibility.


Yup, I agree. We send our kids to public schools but I think that it should be something that we should pay more directly. Our kids, our funding. The problem does exist with that altruistic thinking is that the minor players would get overlooked. Absolutes get ruined by reality.


Ditto.

Zyphlin

I disagree with Kelo

Libertarian's traditionally are conservatives. This was what do Conservatives believe not What do Republicans believe.

I would need to research "In God We Trust" on our coinage to see when it came to be. Depending, I would not have an issue with keeping it there more for historical and traditional purposes. Its once again not something I think of as "jamming it down your throat" nor is it something I believe that dictates religion. "Under God" is different altogether in my mind as that's most certainly a more "recent" thing. I have no strong feeling either way. I don't have a great urge to remove it from official things, at the same time I think students or people saying the pledge that wish to choose to not speak that part are more than welcome to.

Indeed, which I believe is the true intention of that comment, espicially in regards to the government. The government routinely spends more than it can afford, routinely bringing itself into debt, and routinely then taxing the population more and more when in reality the government should be working to live within its means just like people do.

Taking out a mortgage on a house that you know you likely can't afford the monthly payments for is a gamble, and one that tends to fail for most people. As is the same with almost all debt that people enter into with the knowledge they can't fiscally pay it off responsibily and timely. While, as an individual, if you want to take the gamble, so be it. However the government shouldn't be taking such gambles unless its direly needed.

I believe the minor players are likely to have the slack picked up for them by private enterprise or charity to be quite honest. Will it necessarily afford them the best of chances? Possibly not. But I am not one for "fixing" issues at the bottom by destroying the top and providing "adequate" for everyone while having nothing that's GOOD.

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I've recently been reading up on 1600's Germany and the 30 year's war. There's been a lot about the conservatives there. The conservatives believed that the government and the state should be closely intertwined. They also believed that things should basically all belong to the society, through the mechanism of the noble. It was the noble's job to make sure society was running alright. I can go on, but you get the idea.

I was also reading up a while ago about Russian conservatives. They believe things should go back to how it was under communism. I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that "conservative" is one of the most subjective terms out there, depending on place and time.

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Or due process, these days.


Then there hasn't been a conservative president since Ike.

Has anyone told James Dobson?


Right. So let's dissolve the DHS, and work backward from there.

I'm with ya.

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