independent_thinker2002

All of us?

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Doc Howl

It's okay to cry.

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jallman

No one is crying here, sport. Actually, it's kind of amusing how easily liberals confirm the stereotype that they're a bunch of bottom feeding lip tremblers.

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Doc Howl

Lip tremblers?

Because we made fun of Bush?

jallman

It goes beyond making fun of him. Naming the sewage treatment plant after him is not just a big joke; it is a prime example of how the left shows it's utter disregard for the principles that make a civilized and democratic society work: respect for one another and the processes by which our leaders are elected. Dissent is only productive when it is pursued in the context of a useful conversation. This is not a segway into a useful conversation. It is a bunch of pointless tantrum throwing because their guy isn't in office so they are blindly flailing about spewing any insult they can in response. It's kind of funny to see adults behave after the fashion of spoiled 5 year olds who had their toy taken away. Well, it would be funny if it weren't so damned sad to see.

Doc Howl

Well, sure. I also hate him. Hell, my whole extended family hates him. We're proud to hate him. It helps bring the family together.

Naw. It just shows that many people think he's a douchebag. Hell, we should make a habit of naming things like that after politicians that do a piss-poor job.


Yeah, but it turns out that people have the right to dissent even when it isn't productive.

Actually, it's an indictment on a failed presidency.

Cardinal

What's the point in your so-called "productive" dissent when you've already negated it by saying that everybody who criticizes him is just bitter anyway? "Your tauntings are juvenile, but guess what, even if they weren't they would still be irrelevant because...you're jealous! Ha ha!" This is reflective of the behavior of a president whose administration has happily equated dissent with treason and has regularly cordoned off protesters where he never ever has to see or hear them (Free Speech Zones anyone?). Bush has behaved like this since week one in office when he refused to meet with any environmental group leaders, and continued that behavior until present day. Nobody has actually denied that naming the sewage plant is in itself juvenile, but your refusal to acknowlege that its very immaturity is an actual valid reflection of Bush, as well as your belief that your opinion is the only valid one, strikes many of us as all too familiar. Bush had his chance, countless times, to listen to constructive criticism, and after eight years of shielding himself from it and surrounding himself by yes-men instead, it's time to admit that insults, however, juvenile, are perfectly acceptable.

jallman

It's painfully obvious that you didn't understand a word of what you failed to respond to.

Hatuey

I think the point he was trying to make is that some dismiss most Bush criticism even when the criticism is legitimate.

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jallman

I made no effort to dissuade legitimate criticism. Legitimate criticism: Iraq war was improperly prosecuted. Not legitmate criticism: Yee-haw, let's go name the sewage plant after the president. That'll really piss 'dem conservatives off good. Hyuck hyuck hyuck.